Talk:Lost Souls (Torchwood)

plot summary is not a plot summary
The plot summary seems to start out summarizing the plot for about the first two or three sentences. The rest of the paragraph appears to only be a list of trivia and references to other episodes. After reading the article I have no sense of what actually happens in this episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.35.160 (talk) 23:29, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * There was a missing element, which made the one-line synopsis disappear. However, a full plot summary hasn't been written yet — any takers? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Scientific advisor
For an extra real world note, did anyone catch the name of the man from CERN who was interviewed by Andrew Marr immediately prior to the play? They said he was the scientific advisor for the play, so I think that is worth noting. Wolf of Fenric (talk) 14:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you suppose he was an unpaid scientific advisor? :D —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:25, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Voice Of A Nightingale
It is also used in The Stolen Earth (DW 4 Finale Part 1). I would change it myself, but it all looks very complicated :S Thanks magicman92 (talk) 18:56, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks - I've added it in. For future reference, adding a citation for a Doctor Who, Torchwood or The Sarah Jane Adventures story has been made simpler as templates exist here, here and here, respectively. One just needs to copy and paste from there, remembering to add, for example, after it. Citation templates is also worth a look. Wolf of Fenric (talk) 19:51, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll know for next time! magicman92 (talk) 13:29, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Continuity lapse?
If we take "Lost Souls" as an official Torchwood adventure, it has to be set on the 10th September, 2008 if we are to believe the CERN project is operating at the same time in the Whoniverse as our world. This throws the whole timeline for Torchwood and Doctor Who off kilter as for one thing, the Whoniverse is generally around a year into our future, and the relationships with Martha, Jack, Ianto and the lack of Owen and Tosh just don't add up! 86.144.7.56 (talk) 20:53, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well... everything in Doctor Who has been a year ahead since the events of episode 1.4, when the Doctor takes Rose back home 12 months, instead of 12 hours, later. So, assuming the gap is consistent, series four ends roughly in middle 2009. So Jack had been in Doctor Who one year before (for the end of series 3), middle 2008, and Torchwood series 2 can have taken place right away. And I think it did, they never stated how many months have passed without Jack when he appears in episode 2.1, did they? So... actually I think it kind of fits, since this audio episode really seems to take place between "Exit Wounds" and "The Stolen Earth". Am I missing something? Laz (talk) 21:34, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree that the episode seems to take place between "Exit Wounds" and "The Stolen Earth", not least because here the death of Owen and Tosh seems quite recent and raw, whereas there seems to have been a bit more healing by the time of "The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End". But as for making the chronology of Torchwood and Doctor Who fit, remember that this sort of problem is nothing new.


 * And, of course, we can't mention the chronological problem in this article until it's mentioned with regard to this story in a reliable source, otherwise it's original research. Reliable sources which might possibly deal with this would include Torchwood Magazine, Doctor Who Magazine, and the next Torchwood guide book by Stephen James Walker. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I wasn't advocating a mention in the article, I wanted a sounding board as to the lapse. Yes, I know this isn't the Torchwood chat site, but it's the place to find the most vocal and voracious fans out there. To address the first points, the continuity error is that the episode is set during the switching on of the CERN project, which in our universe is this week in September 2008. Clearly, the events of Torchwood don't fit in with current events as they are usually set a year or so in our future. 86.144.7.56 (talk) 18:43, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You can also find quite a few voracious fans here (free registration required). Someone there suggested that perhaps due to all the various alien invasions and global catastrophes in the Doctor Who universe, the switch-on of the LHC happened a year later there than in our world. :) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:31, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I like that theory, Josiah. I'd rather that CERN were operating a year behind rather than the show wasn't part of canon or a bit of a continuity mess 86.144.7.56 (talk) 19:59, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Dr Who
Does this event happen before or after the final episodes of dr who season 4? Lovingnews1989 (talk) 05:52, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not clear. And it would be original research for us to speculate. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 07:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)