Talk:Lotteries in Australia/Archive 1

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Would anyone object if this were moved to Lotteries in Australia or something similar? It's a great article, but the title sounds like it's a specific company by that name. Ambi 10:31, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree, I was doing some editing on this page and I was just thinking this myself. --Canley 07:13, 31 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Well i created the article. I think it probably should be moved to there, but perhaps a redirect link should be placed from "Australian Lottery Games" ? Lotery in Australia. Or Lotteries in Australia sounds cool -- Kyle sb 1:11, January 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks Kyle and Ambi, I've moved the page, and a redirect from Australian Lottery Games was created automatically. Good article, by the way. I've also put a request for Australian Lotto Bloc on the Australian To-do list. -- Canley 04:42, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

TipStar, "Draw"-style lotteries
I'm a bit dubious about TipStar being listed on the page - it is run by Tattersall's but is not a lottery game, rather a sports betting product, competing mainly with the (Victorian) TAB's FootyTip products for AFL. It doesn't exactly fit in a article about games of chance (no matter how much you think footy tipping is a 'lottery' anyway...! :-).

On a similar note, should information about 'draw' lotteries operated by state lottery organisations - such as NSW's Lucky Lotteries and Queensland's Casket games - be included on this article? I believe they would 'complete the picture' with regards Australian lottery games as it were, as they seem to be the only things I see missing. Thanks. -Spiky Sharkie [ talk ] 10:37, 22 January 2006 (UTC)


 * There being no feedback that I could see, I made the changes (+ Lucky Lotteries and $2 Casket, - TipStar). If information on TipStar should remain on this page (rather than finding another suitable location for this), then it should be expanded as the original stub section only covered the whole-of-season TipStar Footy Tips game (I assume that's what it referred to, by the $2 reference...), with no coverage of their weekly TipStar 8 game. -Spiky Sharkie [ talk ] 14:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Lottery of different States
I think this article doesn't have enough information on lottery games played in non-Tattersalls jurisdictions. Most of the information is relevent to Tasmania and Victoria. And new sections needed to be added for games that are played in other states. I would do this, except I live in Tasmania and have no experience with them. It wouldn't be difficult to write; a regular lottery player should be familiar enough to write an article. -- Kyle sb


 * I would agree that when I first saw the article (on 2006-01-21) that it was very, very Tatts-centric (and seemed to contain a little inaccurate information about eg. NSW's participation in Saturday lotto). I believe it's a bit better now following my and Mark's recent edits - the "State Games" heading covers pretty much the spectrum of statewide lottery games now (as far as I'm aware) - if not in complete depth. For instance, some state games work just like Saturday Lotto, so there isn't much point explaining the nature of the draw, I wouldn't have thought. -Spiky Sharkie [ talk ] 13:39, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Statistics Section
Marked it for a section cleanup mainly because it seems to have been pulled straight from the Tattersall's site - which is probably okay (and it has been reduced to the one-game odds, compared to Tatts showing the odds for their minimum number of games, which is good), but I believe it just needs a bit of generalising. A couple of examples:


 * the Saturday Lotto, NSW Lotto and Wednesday Gold Lotto draws have the same 6-from-45 format, and should note that if possible
 * bringing game references into line with the rest of the article - for example, reference to "Super 7's Oz Lotto" (Tatts' name) when it should be generalised to just plain "Oz Lotto".

The other possibility is to merge them with the division lists under each game, giving a table with "division name - what's required to win - probability" in that order.

Also, things such as the price of the game could also be verified and placed underneath the appropriate game section, rather than in Stats. -Spiky Sharkie [ talk ] 13:29, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't particuarly like clean up or other tags, I think they put readers off. I agree almost entirely; so i removed the prices from the bottom of each odds section and have noted which games have similar format. Also note in my edits - the last "Saturday lotto" super draw for the year is always conducted on New Years Eave, even if NYE does not fall on a Saturday. I remember this having been stuck to work in a lottery outlet for weeks on end each year. I think its awesome this article, created only a month ago has grown to the size it has. --Kyle sb 22:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I did see those; thanks - I'm pretty sure though there have been occasions since 1999 (which was the first time the NYE draw was done, as a "Millennium Megadraw" gimmick), that the end-of-year draw was simply held on the last Saturday, for certain reasons. Tattersalls' own past draws download for Saturday Lotto (confirmed through the historical results on NSW Lotteries' site) suggests this happened each year from 2000-2003 (draw numbers 2029, 2133, 2237, 2341).


 * I'm guessing the day of NYE would have either created issues (logistically, at least) with Tatts holding two national draws on the one day (Tuesday, Thursday), or possibly generated complaints from the likes of NSW/QLD/SA who would lose revenue by having to hold off on their state draws (Monday, Wednesday). Hence the date of the draw drifting to as far back as the 27th in those years. However when NYE has been on Friday/Saturday (no Sunday draws yet; 2006 would be the first), it's definitely been held on that day. -Spiky Sharkie [ talk ] 13:07, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Tatts Keno: 10/10 prize cap?
Something I was going to add to the Tatts Keno section of the article but I couldn't find anything "official" to back this up apart from promo posters: I noticed when I was in Tasmania recently that Tattersall's were promoting "$2 million every day (until won)" for the Tatts Keno 10/10 jackpot - has this been capped at $2 million, like Lotto Strike (NSW) was for a while at one point? I can't seem to find anything in the Tatts Keno rules about it, but then, I can't about the Lotto Strike cap either. -Spiky Sharkie [ talk ] 08:20, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * You were in Tas, awesome. Well Tatts spot 10 keno paid a $5 million until won, draws a while ago where the prize was that high. they have been running  a $2 million promotional offer for a while. They do this every now and again in hopes of increasing the number of people who play Keno. Otherwise its just a jackpot which is usually $1 million.Kyle sb 10:05, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

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Victorian lottery changes 2008
I've been attempting to update the page since the changes to the victorian lottery system from July 1. I've added sections for Intralot but they need more information added.

I also moved NSW Lotto / Monday & Wednesday Lotto to the national lottery section since it is now played everywhere except Qld.

One more thing I am unsure with is Golden Caskets's Winners Circle which gives out $10000 to a card holder. It is predominantly featured on the golden claket website so I don't know how its fits on this page. Brad F 89 (talk) 13:17, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

online
started to add an online lottery section, will edit further mick (talk) 02:21, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Keno - SA
I don't know how long ago it changed, but SALotteries Keno used to have divisions from sport one to spot 15. Above spot 8 (I think) 0 numbers chosen would also pay (but not much). They also had multiple game cards that had 4 slots that allowed you to play 4 separate games, as well as nominating combinations of those games. This meant that if you played a combination with a spot 1, spot 2, spot 4 and spot 8 you could combine them so it was equivalent to haveing spot 1, spot 2, spot 3(2&1), spot 4, spot 5 (4&1), spot 6 (4&2), spot 7 (4&2&1), spot 8, spot 9 (8&1), spot 10 (8&2), spot 11 (8&2&1), spot 12 (8&4), spot 13 (8&4&1), spot 14 (8&4&2) and spot 15 (8&4&2&1) (each combination counted as a game and was charged accordingly ie $15). I think the multi-game entry slips were still available when SA initially went to Spot 10 being the highest division, but not sure whether they're still available now. Probably not so relevant, but for a long time Keno in SA was every 5 minutes (and I think draws would close a minute before) 152.91.9.153 (talk) 03:25, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

So what happened?
"In August 2008, at a homecoming ceremony for Australian Olympic athletes, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said he was considering a UK-style national lottery to fund Australia's Olympic sports."

That is five years ago. Anyone got an update?
 * A Kevin-Rudd style thought bubble, I suspect. 110.148.139.116 (talk) 06:42, 7 April 2015 (UTC)