Talk:Lotus Elise

New Engine
The Lotus website says that the Elise now comes with a 1.6L Toyota engine, the 1ZR-FAE. The 1ZR-FAE section of the ZR family page lists the Elise as being one of the cars that uses it, but it's missing from the Elise page. I've never made an edit that included a link and a citation, so I thought I'd just mention it here and let some one else do it.

Picture
The current picture has a lot of glare, and is also pretty grany when blown up. Anyone got an Elise they can take pictures of?

I added mine. I think it's a nice pic. Got others if you're interested.--Rod 06:46, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Introduction Date
The first Elise was -introduced- in 1995, but it's the 1996 model.

Predecessor
The proper predecessor to the Elise is not the Lotus 7, but the Lotus Elan (the non-Isuzu motored one). The Elan was more similar in shape, was a convertible (the 7 has no real top), and the Elan (even the non-Isuzu one) was produced by Lotus far more recently than the 7. Just looking at the 3 cars, it's obvious the proper relationship. Bollinger 18:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Price?
stupid price

I added the 42990 figure that was at the lotus cars site.

Where is the price? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.220.84.24 (talk) 15:02, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:PRICES -- >Typ932 T&middot;C 15:30, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Austin Rover Group ECV3/Lotus Elise link
What amazes me about this article is that it fails to acknowledge the work that Rover produced, specifically Spen King, which led up to the concepion of the Lotus Elise chassis. One must realise that Rover were creating a lightweight chassis to work in unison with it's K-series power plant in order to come up with a high economy concept vehicle. The chassis itself could be adapted to suit any light vehicle role as was necessary.

Secondly, one must note that at Lotus there was a lot of kitchen sink engineering involved with their version of the K-series block. Problems were being engineered into the unit. As noted by one employee at Powertrain, Lotus never contacted them at all. The problems that Rover suffered with earlier K-series units were fixed throughout the engine's life. One example is the front engine hydro-mount, which cause slight imbalance of the engine whilst cornering.. This was fixed in the earlier Rover 200/400 cars in the early 90's!!! - Yet right up to the last K-series Elises, they were still using them!!

Check out this link for the the truths and myths about the K-series block, and in particular to the Lotus VHPD engine.

K-Series Engine - King K

There are overtones to your posting that whiff slightly, so please don't let the main article which maintains the Wikipedia neutral point of view become yet another sewer arguing the toss about King K.

The King K article and many of the theories presented in it, particularly their "originality", their engineering integrity and the sources quoted there or since original publication have been debunked by all and sundry.

So whoever you are "193.60.133.205" stop trying to stir things up here because you have been banned from elsewhere, it's not big and it's not clever.

Please show credible evidence. Secondly, if the re-engineered version of the K series engine becomes a serious failure in the SAIC/NAC/MG cars, then you can dismiss my comments.. until then, I would like to see your proof. I am not stirring things up, but simply making note of the fact that the Lotus Elise is not ALL Lotus' work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.12.167 (talk) 23:55, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

UK price?
It seems a bit silly only to have a US price for a British car. Anyone know the MRSP for the base Elise in the UK? Loganberry (Talk) 03:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Price redux
The price is missing from the article entirely, at present. Without a discussion of the price range of these vehicles, much of the context is lost. As pointed out above by Loganberry, please give in multiple currencies/markets. What's the best source to use? MrZaius talk  20:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * [ This is a good source of information for all the pricing on european models, you have to give your details and sign up to their junkmail to get to this page, so I don't know if they will want it pasted onto wikipedia, but i have used the british prices from it. There didn't really seem to be much point in taking 6 different prices in euros for each model based on the different taxes of each country, but I think someone should add the prices of the US models since they are slightly different (their engine requirements mean basically they don't have an elise S, they have the elise R simply named "elise" (i think) and the elise SC as in europe) this information should also be added to the main article, but i'm not an expert at american models. I have removed the outdated prices from 2002, the prices of the opel/vauxhall that is no longer sold, the comparison prices of boxters and the prices in swiss francs from 2008 (which are probably accurate, but not too useful especially as the other currencies listed were just the result of pumping the swiss prices into a currency converter). I hope this is more useful--[[User:KX36|KX36]] (talk) 23:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Too informal
I don't want to spread doom and gloom over the article, but it sounds a little too informal, and a bit approving. Take a look at:

As a result, the Elise's acceleration, braking, cornering, and fuel consumption (all of which are    improved by reductions in a car's weight) was nothing short of astonishing in spite of the fact that the engine put out a relatively modest 120 bhp (89 kW).

Also:

It also had more padding in the seats to the horror of purists and the relief of those with nerve endings in their bottoms.

I can't help feeling adjectives like "astonishing" are a bit much.

ManicParroT 20:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. This should be rewritten in a more encyclopedic tone.  Needs more/better citations too.  swa  q  17:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

also several occasions of the word "hardcore"; what does that even mean in an informal context, let alone an encyclopaedia?

duncanrmi (talk) 23:01, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Infobox
I have expanded the Infobox slightly. However, I'm thinking it might be best to have two separate Infoboxes. One for the Series 1 and a second for the Series 2. This would make expanding them in more detail easier. swa q  22:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Predecessor
I'm curious why the Lotus 7 is considered the predecessor to the Elise. Especially considering the Lotus 7 article lists the Caterham 7 as its successor. It would seem to me that the 1990's Elan was the Elise's predecessor. Does anyone have sources that address this topic? swa q  15:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, the Lotus Elan infobox lists the Elise as its successor. swa  q  16:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and changed this, since one of the sources says "At the Frankfurt Motor Show in September 1995, Lotus unveiled a lightweight two-seat roadster to replace the ageing M100 Elan." swa  q  16:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Then your source quite frankly stinks :) The Elise was NEVER EVER, not in a million years ever a replacement for the M100 Elan. It might conceivably been a replacement for the Type 26/36/45 Elan, or, as most, including those who worked on design and development of the car at Lotus view it as, a spiritual successor to the Seven.  BTW the source saying the M100 Elan was ageing in 1996 is a bit of a joke, because prior to the Elise introduction it was the most modern vehicle that Lotus produced, seven years old at this point and two years since production ceased - compared to 20 years old for the Esprit and 22 years (and four years ceased production) for the Excel (based on the introduction date of the Elite/Eclat) M100 (talk) 16:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not "my" source, it was one that the page already referenced. I welcome more/better sources.  The M100 Elan would seem to me to be the most immediate predecessor, though I recognize that there are significant differences, most notably that the Elan is front-engine/front wheel drive and the Elise is mid-engine/rear wheel drive.  For the record I have nothing against the Elan. :)   swa  q  19:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

External links?
- swaq

Why Is the Lotus Techwiki not allowed to be added as an external link?

PLEASE EXPLAIN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.74.188 (talk) 21:06, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Popularity
As I understand it the car sold well, and was a very significant model for Lotus; it helped secure the future of the company during an otherwise dismal time. It was certainly more popular than the Mk 2 Lotus Elan. The article is purely technical and doesn't mention any of this perhaps because it's hard to source, but sales figures at least should be available somewhere. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 20:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

For short drivers only?
Considering the few Lotis Elises I've encountered, I'm surprised anybody over 5'6" can comfortably drive one. I suspect there's more legroom in a Nissan Versa or Honda Civic. If I'm wrong, how much headroom and legroom does the Elise have? DanTD (talk) 01:40, 11 January 2011 (UTC) It's not very encylopeadic, but I'm a 6'2" male and can drive one comfortably. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.110.244.202 (talk) 15:37, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Face lift
The Elise was face lifted some time during 2010 and theres no mention of it here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hennelly14 (talk • contribs) 21:06, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Lotus Eco Elise with hemp
http://www.lotuscars.com/engineering/eco-elise

I did not see this version of the car mentioned in the article. There is plenty of coverage from reliable sources on the web. --Timeshifter (talk) 15:20, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Succesor: Hennesey Venom?
I assume that someone was joking when they put this in? Sure, the Venom has a Lotus base, but it's about as similar to an Elise as I am to a Lemur. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.10.2 (talk) 03:20, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

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