Talk:Lou Andreas-Salomé

Article assessment
I rated this article a stub based on the grounds that the article lacks significant biographical information, and the family pedigree appears to be inaccurate. 82.119.185.77 15:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)I.Goldszer

I added the cleanup tag to the article for the above reasons. The list of her written works need to be expanded, there is a more complete list on the German version of this article. Her education in Zurich is also not discussed, and the page could benafit by being restructured based on her biography, as opposed to when she met various famous men.82.119.185.77 16:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)I.Goldszer

Five years after the last post I can add, this discussion section has succeeded admirably in establishing what Wikipedia cares most about: was someone Jewish, or half Jewish, or of Jewish descent, or did they just look Jewish, and also, who did they sleep with? Wikipedia has done more to establish whether notable people are Jewish and sexy than any previous intellectual venture.Profhum (talk) 17:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Her father & mother, their family, pedigree

 * English Wikipedia says Jewish, but German Wikipedia says French Huguenot.
 * --Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 15:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

In the book "My sister, My spouse, A biography of Lou Andreas-Salome" written by H.F. Peters, copyright 1962, it also states that her ancestry is French Huguenot. Her Family was Lutheran, and although she refused to be confirmed, her childhood in Russia was marked by a strongly Lutheran upbringing. This is also dealt with in the same book.217.65.16.213 13:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)I.Goldszer

Partner vs. Lover
Was she a "lover" to Ree and Nietzsche or a "psychoanalyst partner"? This fact is not clear in article Hackajar 11:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

If she was celibate with her own husband, it's unlikely she had a sexual relationship with either of these men. As Nietzsche observed in "Beyond Good and Evil:" "When a woman has scholarly inclinations there is usually something wrong with her sexually. Sterility itself disposes one to a certain masculinity of taste; for man is, if I may say so, 'the sterile animal.'"

MarbleIndex01 17:26, 24 March 2007 (UTC)MarbleIndex01

She lost her virginity at the age of 34 to Friedrich Pineles, a Viennese physician.

I really don't understand the statement "she engaged in affairs or/and correspondence with". What does it means? Are they - affairs and correspondence - at the same level of importance? Leandrooliveira 11:49 20 june 2007
 * There are two ways that we can know whether she had sex with someone. Either we believe the statements of an eyewitness or we accept her own admissions. The Wiki article is not based on either way. Therefore, how can the article make such definite statements about her private physical affairs?Lestrade (talk) 19:06, 31 March 2008 (UTC)Lestrade

I agree!!! this is an obsessive issue in the commentators' minds... but, please, leave her alone!! I wouldn't like either to have anyone telling my sexual life (or absence of it). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lousalome (talk • contribs) 11:36, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup
This article really needs some work. I went through and changed references to "Lou" to the more appropriate "Salomé". I can try to work on this one when I have some time, but does anyone else want to help? - Havetrowelwilltravel 23:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Jewish?
Definitely not Jewish: In the book "My sister, My spouse, A biography of Lou Andreas-Salome" written by H.F. Peters, copyright 1962, it states that though the Nazis thought her Jewish of Finnish origins her ancestry in fact was French Huguenot.

Was she really of Jewish descent? any source? Kowalmistrz 09:29, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'm also a bit surprised that she should be jewish. The german article makes this seem unlikely. Anyways: the father a high military officer in tsarist russia, the family noble, living in St. Petersburg(...) Without a serious source, I'd say the "jewish" should be removed, I guess it's a mistake. 212.171.245.8 (talk) 20:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


 * This seems to have been a long-running misunderstanding. Kaufmann, in "Nietzsche: Philosopher, Psychologist, Antichrist" writes "Lou, incidentally, was not Jewish, as many writers have claimed." (p. 49) Thanks to User:DBaba, for initially finding this and correcting the article. It got reverted, although probably without the editor noticing DBaba's comments in the history. I will address this question specifically in the body of the article, since it is so persistent. -- Shunpiker (talk) 21:49, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Date of death
According to "My sister, My spouse, A biography of Lou Andreas-Salome" by H.F. Peters, New York and London 1962, page 300, she died in her sleep in the evening of 5 January 1937.

Category:Deaths from renal failure
I am uncertain whether this category can be added as uremia may have other causes as well. If someone finds a source which details this more explicitly we will know. __meco (talk) 08:48, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Wagner
It says in the title that she was friends with Wagner. Is this true? Where's some evidence? I find it difficult to believe, her being in the very beginnings of her studies when she was 21 the same time as Wagner was a year away from death. When did they have time to meet? Chicopac (talk) 04:53, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * And, Wagner receives not a single other mention in the entire article. I'm removing it.  --   Jack of Oz   [Talk]  20:45, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Descendants
There is no mention whether she had children or not... Did she? Has she got living descendants?Undead Herle King (talk) 23:46, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Confused Dates
"At the age of 74, Lou Andreas-Salomé ceased to work as a psychoanalyst. She had developed heart trouble, and in her weakened condition had to be treated many times in hospital. Her husband visited her daily". The year should be 1935, and her husband died in 1930. There is something wrong with these two sentences... Maybe someone who know the facts (I don't)can correct this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.116.69.80 (talk) 18:34, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

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Nietzsche's supposed proposal
Walter Kaufmann says, based on Rudolf Binion's biography of Salomé's, that she made up that Nietzsche proposed to her: "After Rée's death, Lou spread the tale that both he and Nietzsche had proposed marriage to her, and that Nietzsche had asked Rée to transmit his proposal. ... Binion has shown that she remained a virgin until more than ten years later and that Nietzsche never proposed marriage to her, although she was apparently waiting for him to do so."Rafe87 (talk) 20:25, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Disputed?
There is a note at the top of the article warning the reader that the neutrality of the article is disputed. The talk page doesn't show any such dispute. I think the note should be removed. Rlitwin (talk) 11:07, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Supported. Jmc (talk) 19:51, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree. The tag dates back to 2015, there have been many edits since then.  I don't think there's a POV problem now, and looking at the article when it was tagged, I don't see the problem then.  The editor who tagged the article isn't available to discuss this - that account has been blocked and permanently banned.  Tags are not supposed to permanent.  I'll delete the tag.(Einbildungskraft) (talk) 14:14, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

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