Talk:Lou Dobbs/Archive 2

Conservative?
There's an entire section describing his complex political affiliation, which states several times he doesn't consider himself a conservative. And then the first two sentences describe him as a conservative, and unsourced at that. I'm deleting it. Seems counterintuitive to have the page contradict itself. Joker1189 (talk) 16:29, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

The Article Has Been Edited to Make It Seem as If Opposition to Illegal Immigration Were Tantamount to Xenophobia and Racism
A thousand times, Dobbs said that he favored LEGAL immigration and was only against ILLEGAL immigration. Yet advocates of illegal immigration have clearly edited the main article to make it seem as if opposition to illegal immigration were somehow inappropriate. No wonder critics label Wikipedia these days as "Liberalpedia." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.153.18 (talk) 19:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree that to some extent this article comes off as implying that being against illegal immigration is somehow bigoted, racist, or anti-Hispanic. Although the majority of illegal immigrants coming to the U.S. these days happen to be from Mexico, I do not think someone that is against illegal immigration(pro-legal immigration) would change their opinion on the matter if the majority of illegals were coming from a country other than Mexico. Rather, legal immigration supporters are standing up for the Mexican's, or any immigrants from anywhere in the world, that have gone through the process of legally applying to become a U.S. citizen. To put it another way, in line with the logic that being "anti-illegal immigration is racist", someone could counter and say being "pro-illegal immigration is prejudiced and racist", by the fact that illegal immigration has deleterious effects to immigrants that have been working towards legally obtaining U.S. citizenship. For example, if a Mexican was in the process of becoming a legal U.S. citizen, he/she is hurt by the many fellow Mexican's that are illegally cutting in front; causing negative affects to the legal immigrant such as less job opportunity(because the illegals skipped the process and flooded the system before the legal one could), having to pay higher taxes due to the pressures the inflow of non-taxpaying illegals, who are receiving societal benefits, causes on the system. In general, if the intent of the whole illegal immigration issue in this article is to point out his connection to FAIR, which in some documented way can shown to be racist, then it should be revised to express that. But, if it is just to try to smear someone who supports legal immigrations, which is standing up for all the immigrants from anywhere in the world that legally go through the process of becoming a U.S. citizen in order to gain access to all the opportunities American has to offer, then it should not be a part of this article. Adrianw61 (talk) 20:12, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Dobbs is against illegal immigration and the abuse of worker visas such as the H-1B. This does not qualify him as "anti-immigration." Please correct by adding specifity, or not using this loaded phrase. Sak5481 (talk) 10:55, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

BTW, I see that the last comment critiquing use of this phrase is from 2010. Are these comments ever reviewed, and corrections made? Sak5481 (talk) 10:57, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Protection Needed?
Over the past couple of weeks, there's been a number of infantile and libelous edits. It pains me to say this, but I think the page needs some sort of protection. I don't know if there's an organized effort to vandalize this guys page, or if he's just that reviled by those on the left, but it's gotta stop.Joker1189 (talk) 15:10, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Dobbs & Obama Birth Certificate
On recent radio shows, Dobbs has been giving credence to the speculation that Obama's citizenship is in dispute. Just hit the frontpage of Digg today, so it will probably hit places like Huffington Post tomorrow and then, my guess, make the leap to the political news shows.

The fact that Dobbs has made the statements is well-supported, so I almost just added it in, but given that the story hasn't hit mainstream media yet, adding it in right this moment would probably be premature and undue weight. Just a head's up though, because a) it probably will merit inclusion in the near future and b) people are almost certainly going to find there way here and edit the article according to their own points of view. --Alecmconroy (talk) 20:26, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

It's definitely Lou Dobbs' voice. Should be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.182.29.103 (talk) 23:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

dobbs said he believes obama is a citizen but i just deleted something making it seem like he believes obamas not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.228.58 (talk) 18:16, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * This is a significant controversy, apparently. The head of CNN is reported to have sent an email to the staff of the Dobbs program saying the issue is "dead". The SPLC has called Dobb's commentary "racist" and seeks his resignation. Newspapers from London to Los Angeles have reported on this matter. I think we need to restore and reframe the material.   Will Beback    talk    20:36, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I have no objection to including the material, I think that better sources than media matters are needed because of the obvious partisian nature of the organization. Those 2 sources are pretty good.  Again, I'm not against inclusion of the material, my revision of your edits were because I was under the impression you did not see the IP's comments on this talk page about the material and therefore I was not sure if you stuck by your edit. TharsHammar Bits andPieces 21:11, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's just as well, otherwise I woulnd't have gone looking for better sources. I'll re-read the linked sources and summarize them briefly, unless someone else gets to it first.   Will Beback    talk    21:28, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I have included the actual transcript from his show, which I believe counts as a primary source. Sources from both Fox News and the Huffington Post have also been included, to prevent accusations of bias from either side. Djma12 (talk) 04:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Can we get a citation from the Souther Poverty whatever rather than the huffington post? Also, not sure that we need the foxnews/Obama born in hawia link/sentence. --Tom (talk) 19:22, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding the citation from the SPL rather than the blog. --Tom (talk) 19:26, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Also the sentence that says he has recieved criticism is linked to the transcript of his show which makes zero sense. Can this section/few sentences be rewritten with proper sources and NPOV? TIA --Tom (talk) 19:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

There must be a decent source that talks about Dobbs giving credence to the birther claims. I recall Jon Stewart noting his phrasing of "I believe Obama is a citizen of the US", pointing out the phrasing as belief, not fact, and sidestepping the birth issue. Sources, anyone? Rd232 talk 20:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Belief vs fact? This seems like what the definition of "is" is :) Seriously, I don't watch Dobbs but like my edit summary said, I would be careful how we word this, especially if the citations are tied to "opinion" pieces, ect. From listening to all the hubbub, it seems that Dobbs' position is that Obama could end all this nonsense by just releasing his birth certificate, but he is unwilling to do so, so Obama is somehow fueling this whole thing or is at fault himself?? Not sure if that equates to giving credence to these "folks" and that would probably be original research or synthesis anyways. Off subject, who started the "birther" term? for some reason I can't stand it, anyways, carry on :) --Tom (talk) 21:04, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The nonsense has been stopped by verification of the birth certificate by the authorities, combined with local Hawaii birth announcements. At this point the idea that Obama needs to release anything is deep birther territory and saying there are "unanswered questions" etc as Dobbs has is giving that credence. There are no unanswered questions, unless you're a birther. Rd232 talk 21:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree. I was just trying to state what I thought Dobbs position was. I haven't heard Dobbs say there are "unanswered questions". I personally think that he is probably doing this for ratings, but thats me. Again, saying he is "giving credence" should be carefully cited if included at all. --Tom (talk) 22:47, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Rd232, you adding a transcript of what he said as a citation. What is needed is a citation that that shows he was criticised for adding credence to the claims since that is what is stated in that section. Anyways, should be too hard to find, I think one of the cites I read already claims that. It should probably also be reflected to say it that way as well. Anyways, --Tom (talk) 14:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

CNN Ratings
Lou Dobbs show on CNN is now on HLN, the ratings for both are extremely low. Dobbs show does not have much following. go to zap2it.com to get the niesel ratings.

Thus it is fair to state the facts

Dobbs born in Mexico??
A recent edit has changed his birth place to Mexico. I don't know the facts, but I assume it is vandalism. --72.224.136.152 (talk) 20:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * An Open Salon posting with (fake?) images of his birth certificate show he was born in 'Delicias, Chihuahua?'  So, possibly not vandalism, but should be cited properly if it's readded.  Hobophobe (talk) 03:11, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This would require a very good source.   Will Beback    talk    05:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, the Open Salon ref is not good enough for a claim like this. It would be hilarious though if it turns out to be true... Splette :) How's my driving? 08:46, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Do we have a real source saying where he was born? It says Childress, TX with a link that points to a subscription website.  Does anyone have a subscription and could the verify the legitimacy of the data. TharsHammar Bits andPieces


 * Proquest has three sources that say he was born in Childress:
 * The passionate anchor was born in Childress, Texas, an agricultural town that was the setting for much of the recent gay cowboy love story "Brokeback Mountain."
 * Tough-talking Lou Dobbs got start in Yuma" Blake Schmidt. Knight Ridder Tribune Business News. Washington: Jun 20, 2006. pg. 1''
 * "I was raised in a rural community, doing farm work," says the president of CNN Financial News, a native of Childress in the Texas Panhandle. ... The part of southern Idaho where he grew up "is not entirely different from the area around, I'd say, Waco," Mr. Dobbs says. 
 * "Lou Dobbs CNN's financial wizard is always on the money;" Joyce Saenz Harris. Dallas Morning News. Dallas, Tex.: Jan 3, 1999. pg. 1.E
 * CNN finance and news anchor, Lou Dobbs was born in Childress.
 * "River's current generated power in Austin's early days;" Jane Greig. Austin American Statesman. Austin, Tex.: May 27, 2006. pg. E.1
 * Of course, they may be in on the conspiracy too.   Will Beback    talk    23:36, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It could be, the border states (Texas included) has gotten a lot of federal cash for the border due in some part to Lou Dabbs xenophobic rants on CNN, and a story like this that would discredit him and maybe kick him out of the country could hurt the local economy - so you never know. I would just feel more comfortable in the validity of this if we could see his real birth certificate, the long form, the real deal. TharsHammar Bits andPieces 17:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

These different stories and questions about his place of birth and nationality could easily be setteled by the man himself. Until that happens some mention in the article should be made as to the controversy surrounding his true nationality and place of birth: England, Mexico, Texas (which is on the verge of seccession anyway), or the latest investigation: somewhere in the vicintiy of Skopje to mixed breed Slovenian and Romany cattle thieves and fifth columnists. Since his birth certificate and the name on the birth registry could easily be counterfit (one version has it that it was manufactured by former KGB agents operating out of Uzbekistan, a lead that I am following up on with google searches, another mere rumour at this stage is that it is the work of expert Muslem/Arab forgers in Cairo. Until he produces the original of his birth certificate and submits it to scrutiny by the folks at MSNBC and Wiki questions about his birth remain and we must so inform the public. The burden of proof is on him to 'come clean' once and for all. Tonygumbrell (talk) 01:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Appropriate description for intro
I've removed the sourced description (from Media Matters) as 'conspiracy theorist' from lede; though the source may be credible, this is probably inappropriate for the opening. However, please discuss if there is a consensus otherwise...99.0.83.41 (talk) 14:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

External links section
I have trimmed this back since this had gotten beyond out of control. See WP:EL. Thanks, --Tom (talk) 14:13, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Gunshot
Recently there was a gunshot near Dobbs' house (most likely a stray hunter's bullet). Dobbs, however, claims he is being targeted by Latinos. The controversy has been in the news: Stonemason89 (talk) 15:29, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Leaving CNN
Where is he going after leaving CNN? I have been searching for quite some time and nothing came up...Anybody? It wouldn't shock me if he moves to the "fair & balance" network...lol TheAsianGURU (talk) 17:28, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

clarification needed
What campaign is this sentence talking about: "Dobbs and CNN President Jon Klein said Dobbs's leaving had nothing to do with the campaign;". Bubba73 (the argument clinic),

"Other views" section
The following part of "Other views" cites only this reference - - which does not mention the ADL bit, nor the quote about "insults and innuendo" (based on only two Google matches, this appears to be another one of those Rush Limbaugh-esque quotes that originated from Wikipedia). While the citation, written by Dobbs, does mention the foreign aid/1948 parts, the sentence "Dobbs criticized U.S. foreign policy as being disproportionately supportive of Israel" seems like an interpretation of his column, and not exactly representative of his whole point (part of which was that the war in Iraq was ignored by the media, etc.). I think if that sentence is to be kept, some other sources - ones that comment on Dobbs' statements - would be needed. All Hallow&#39;s (talk) 08:00, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * "In July 2006, Dobbs criticized U.S. foreign policy as being disproportionately supportive of Israel, pointing out the U.S.' rapid recognition of Israel in 1948, foreign aid to Israel, and other policy choices in the past and present. The Jewish ADL (Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith) claimed that some of Dobbs' comments bordered on "anti-Semitic."  Dobbs responded on his website that "insults and innuendo from ethno-religious special interest groups no longer angers me, it just bores me." "

Wife's arrest not relevant
I took out the mention of his wife's arrest because I don't think it is relevant to Dobbs himself (It would be perfectly appropriate for an article on Debi herself--she was a news caster, sports if I remember correctly). The arrest was also 6 years ago and it is not encyclopedic to mention the arrest and not the disposition of the case. 134.134.139.73 (talk) 16:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

An American born in Mexico???
OK, isn't this like saying a Mexican born in "America"? (Oh god, don't get me started on the definition of America) You guys get my point. If she was born in Mexico then she is Mexican or even Mexican-American... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.152.0.52 (talk) 04:57, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Calling John Stossel a self important ass
Is it worth noting that he called John Stossel a self important ass on his radio show? Stossel brought this feud up on his TV show. JettaMann (talk) 18:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Redundant article redundancy
There was a paragraph inside the 'Return to CNN' section about his subsequent departure. I moved it into the appropriate 'Exit from CNN' section, excluding the redundant stuff.Capon Transfix (talk) 06:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Last paragraph of Controversy section fails neutral point of view test
On 08 October 2010, I added clarification that The Nation's cover article was written by a freelance writer with a significant bias, as substantiated by the author profile from The Nation Magazine: "Isabel Macdonald is a freelance journalist and former communications director of the media watch group Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting." I further clarified that according to the neutral organization Sourcewatch.org, "Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting (FAIR) is a group that criticizes the fairness and accuracy of the news media from a left-leaning standpoint." Both quotations were properly cited via web links. As a further note, ABC News - Good Mornign America published a 08 October 2010 rebuttal from Lou Dobbs quoting from the on-air segment. Isabel Macdonald attempts to create a false color impression regarding Lou Dobbs's hiring practices. As a professional who is certified to use E-Verify by USCIS, Lou Dobbs's statement that he is forbidden to inquire about the immigration status of a contract employee is absolutely correct. It is the responsibility of the contractor to make an immigration status determination via the I-9 process, which merely states that the presented documents must on their face appear to be genuine. The only exception to this rule is when the use of the E-Verify system is legal in the specific hiring circumstance, which is not yet the case for contractors in either New Jersey or Florida. For these reasons, I request that my edit not be tampered with. DrGeneNelson (talk) 02:50, 10 October 2010 (UTC)DrGeneNelson
 * The problem, imho, is that your additions are not NPOV, and are undue weight. I hear what you are saying about adding context about this latest "hub bub" about not much, imho, but maybe add a descriptor to the Nation, like, left leaning, ect, even though I hate those. To go into detail abou the author doesn't seem proportional. I am not even convienced that this "material" even belongs at this point, but adding more isn't necessary. Anyways, what do others think? Thanks,--Threeafterthree (talk) 14:07, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The whole of that section is rubbish and nothing but partisan slurs. I don't think a single part of it is worth anything educational or informative about this persons life at all. He is accused in our article of being anti Mexican, he is married to one, utter partisan attascks repeated in wikipedia, are we to be a recorder and reporter of actial historic detail or just a tabloid filth spreader of partisan lies and gossip. Off2riorob (talk) 14:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Lessee -- a demagogue who advocates stringent controls against immigration is determined to have employed illegal immigrants? Quite relevant, in my view.  Nomoskedasticity (talk) 14:56, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think this is the smear however, since he never employed illiegal immigrants. Anyways, --Threeafterthree (talk) 18:53, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I take it he is relying on the legal fiction of having had a contract with someone other than the people who actually did the work? That certainly doesn't diminish the relevance, in my view.  Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:42, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Pop culture reference
It's not much but it's rather funny. In the 30 Rock 3rd season episode "Flu Shot", Jack Doneghy is having a conversation with his nurse lover where she says "I have another patient on my off days. He's a sweet old man with advanced dementia. Totally disconnected from reality," to which Jack responds "that reminds me, I owe Lou Dobbs a call..." It's clever, it's not much, but I'd like to suggest it for inclusion nevertheless. __meco (talk) 12:23, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Animation indoctrination
I don't know if this worth mentioning here, but I ran into this story today. ASCIIn2Bme (talk) 15:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

RfC
An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 16:57, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Needs to be updated
I am not familiar with developments but this article still speaks about the 2012 elections in future tense. 98.204.157.43 (talk) 01:46, 9 November 2012 (UTC)nn

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Deleted "Factually incorrect" claim NPOV BLP
It is derogatory to state flat out that Dobbs made a factually incorrect statement (BLP) and it was supported by only 1 source. Since Dobbs himself is a "reliable source," you need more than one source to overrule him. This stuff should be in a Controversy Section unless you have Dobbs himself recanting. And if there are 2 sides to the claim (pro & con), both should be presented with citations. Thus I deleted the derogatory statement. (PeacePeace (talk) 19:41, 3 December 2017 (UTC))