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Article intervention
It's good to see someone has the time to rehabilitate this article. Pops deserves a GA. I have attempted (and to some degree succeeded) in finding citations for unsourced statements here. Perhaps I should have been bolder about deleting old unsourced text and unverifiable claims. At other times, I may have cut too deeply. The problem is that a paragraph may contain a, b, c, and d. One credible source supports b and d, and another one supports a, but neither supports d. It does not mean d is untrue. Should an editor just delete the whole paragraph and rewrite it according to what credible source is at hand? Should the editor splice the paragraph with a hodge-podge of citations?

I am not knowledgeable enough about Armstrong and (or editing Wikipedia) to bring this up to a GA on my own, but I can be a part of it.

I hope you might share your general impressions about the state of the article. cheers, Oldsanfelipe (talk) 20:36, 15 June 2018 (UTC) edited once byOldsanfelipe (talk) 20:39, 15 June 2018 (UTC) Vmavanti (talk) 21:52, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Everything on Wikipedia needs to be sourced. Every sentence. If writers stick to the facts, it's not as a big of a problem when sources overlap.


 * At what point does the slicing, dicing, and restructuring become synthesis?


 * I agree with you: if you add text, make sure its supported by an existing citation or support it with a new citation. Another problem with references takes the following form: editor1 writes a followed by citation C resulting in aC. Editor2 writes b and editor3 writes c, resulting in a paragraph with the form abcC. Statements b and c appear to be supported by C, but they were really just unsourced statements placed in front of an unrelated citation. I removed some statements like this last year, though I don't recall which ones.Oldsanfelipe (talk) 23:05, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Unnecessary section on "Contemporary trumpet players influenced by Louis Armstrong"?
This recently-added section consists of a list of names, some with and some without articles, and is unsourced. Even if each name was sourced, though, Armstrong's influence seems so ubiquitous as to not merit specific note? As a section list it would always bear significant omissions. I would favour deleting this section but am posting here to seek consensus. (While I was writing this, has tagged the lack of citations.) AllyD (talk) 09:02, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I also think the section is unnecessary for the reason you've stated. Ewulp (talk) 00:41, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Battleground or Battlefield?
In early life it appears that his neighborhood is referred to both ways in this article. Is one correct, were they used interchangeably, or are they two different neighborhoods that had similar names? This could use some clarification or editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:EA00:107:3C07:FC82:2062:1E25:77A8 (talk) 20:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Good catch. I have fixed the problem. Cheers, Oldsanfelipe (talk) 21:48, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

First name pronunciation?
I believe I've heard his first name pronounced like "Louie", though I may have heard it pronounced at other times like "Lewis". If there is a good authority on which pronunciation he used it might be useful to include the pronunciation in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.101.189.185 (talk) 21:44, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

The author of Pops: Louis Armstrong, In His Own Words (re-released as Pops--The Wonderful World of Louis Armstrong) stated in an interview that "The Creoles of color in New Orleans, the blacks who were descendants of French whites, spoke French, were an entirely separate middle class and they rather looked down on dark-skinned blacks, which Armstrong was. And that's the reason why he always pronounced his name Louis, as we can hear on his record of Hello Dolly." - from https://www.npr.org/transcripts/121026170

The book also quotes Lucille Armstrong stating that he did not pronounce it Louie because "He wasn't French." -ArchAngel47 — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArchAngel47 (talk • contribs) 03:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Correct birthdate
Armstrong's birth date is referred to twice in the article as August 4th....once at the beginning with a birth year of 1901, and later in reference to his death just before his birthday. The date shown is nearly 11 months incorrect.

His grave site is viewable here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B89gjHGXulM

at 23:51.

I doubt that his grave marker date of birth is incorrect. This article should be changed to show July 4, 1900 as his birthdate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antennaman1 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for noticing the two birth dates given for Armstrong. However, the article already does a good job of addressing the issue in the first paragraph of Louis Armstrong. Please take a look at the inline citations. The more recent consensus among biographers is the 1901 birth date. Perhaps the article could be improved by adding more sources to demonstrate the consensus. Second, grave markers are often incorrect.


 * While it may seem very strange to us that a person might be ignorant of his own birth date, it is not when you consider that Armstrong was born before social security cards and drivers licenses, and in general, when most people did not carry personal identification. Add to that the frequent loss of vital records caused by fires and floods. Cheers, Oldsanfelipe (talk) 21:42, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The criminal birthdate scammer!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/87/86/66/878666a2074787830017c0981de58e10.jpg

--2A01:C23:7033:1D00:115B:35E7:3490:2E47 (talk) 12:24, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2019
Louis married Daisy Parker on 24 Mar 1919 according to Louisiana, Parish Marriages, 1837-1957 from Familysearch https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKJ8-CRHB Laurwarr (talk) 16:52, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Changed marriage year to Parker to 1919, per Bergreen (chapter says that they met and married after November 1918). Remove Parker's age per Collier, who says that she was 21. More/better sources may be needed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:12, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2019
Change birth date August 4, 1901 to July 4, 1900. According to his autobiography, Swing That Music, Louis Armstrong was born on July 4, 1900. 192.104.181.247 (talk) 18:34, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This is addressed in the first paragraph at . Without consensus here on the talk page to make the change, this edit request cannot be completed. (And I don't foresee a consensus forming here until more of a consensus exists amongst the published sources.) &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 19:35, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2019
Link the word Muggle to Marijuana 18vivekp (talk) 17:46, 2 November 2019 (UTC)


 * ❌. There's no point in doing that when it's clearly spelled right out. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 18:45, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Section 2.6 Working during hard times, 1st paragraph
The last sentence in the 1st paragraph of 2.6 Working during hard times is: "Sidney Bechet became a tailor, later moving to Paris and Kid Ory returned to New Orleans and raised chickens."[Bergreen (1997), p. 320] Kid Ory did not return to New Orleans but to California, as it is mentioned in the English Wikipedia article about Kid Ory: "During the Great Depression Ory retired from music and did not play again until 1943. He ran a chicken farm in California." Duke169 (talk) 12:37, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Add others to All-Stars?
I can’t tell on what info the list of All-Star members is based, and how the sequence of musicians was arrived at? Of course, a beautiful time table would be great, but I have no idea – and no time – to create such a thing. Anyway, the real question: I’m just watching a 1968 concert where Joe Muranyi is playing the clarinet. Is it OK if I add him to the list, and if yes, in which position? Also, Big Sid Catlett is called "Buddy" in the credits there. Actually, I’ll just put in those two things while I wait for an answer :) --Geke (talk) 13:36, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Personality
The section says this" "He generally remained politically neutral, which at times alienated him from members of the black community who looked to him to use his prominence with white America to become more of an outspoken figure during the civil rights movement. However, he did criticize President Eisenhower for not acting forcefully enough on civil rights.[89]" That understates what Armstrong did, which is better stated in the "Race" section, and it has nothing to do with personality as commonly understood. Much more can be said about his actual personality.Nicmart (talk) 20:04, 12 July 2020 (UTC)