Talk:Louis the German

Is Louis the German also Louis II?
Accuracy check needed:

Was Louis the German also called Louis II?

Article Louis the Pious indicates he was, as does List of encyclopedia topics/Biographies L2.

However, article Louis the German indicates his nephew was also named Louis II:


 * "In 855 the emperor Lothar died, and Louis and Charles for a time seem to have cooperated in plans to divide Lothar's possessions among themselves -- the only impediments to this being Lothar's sons, Lothar II and Louis II."

Louis the German is also not listed at the disambiguation page, Louis II.

Is this information accurate -- that Louis the German and his nephew, (Louis II, Holy Roman Emperor) -- both had the same name, Louis II?

I didn't want to run the links before finding out for sure from someone with expertise in this area.

Thanks, Kevyn 01:19, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * In short, yes. At length: they didn't have the same name, but yes, they now are both referred to as "the second" by some people in some contexts. It's a good reason to not rely on numbering to tell people apart. So:
 * Louis the Pious's son = Louis the German = Ludwig II, King of the East Franks
 * Louis the Pious's nephew, son of his brother Lothar = Louis II, Emperor = Ludwig II, King of Italy
 * - Nunh-huh 01:41, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Beautiful! I've fixed the links. Thanks for the accuracy check. Kevyn 07:16, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * A pleasure. The family really should have had a bit more imagination, with three Louis/Ludwigs, 2 Charles' and two Lothar/Lothairs in such close juxtaposition.... - Nunh-huh 07:43, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

(sorry for my english) luis II was died in Leno abbey near Brescia in the north of italy on in frankfurt!
 * That's the Emperor Louis II, this is Louis the German. Srnec 03:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Place of death
Added that he died in Germany. 24.31.169.252 (talk) 10:59, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I've changed that to East Francia. What do people think? Although the idea of 'Germania' was understood, East Francia only became to be known as the Regnum Teutonicorum or the Kingdom of Germany a little after Louis' death. 41.241.26.39 (talk) 13:10, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Partition of 843
The article states "When his father, Louis I (called the pious), partitioned the empire toward the end of his reign in 843..." Louis I the Pious died in 840. The empire was partitioned by the sons of Louis - Lothair I, Louis the German and Charles the Bald. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.5.68.46 (talk) 22:32, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Louis the Pious was dead by 843. He died 3 years earlier, in 840. So you are right. It was his surviving adult sons Lothair, Louis and Charles the Bald who partitioned it. PrinceofFrancia (talk) 01:41, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Wrong link to King of Bavaria?
This article links to the "King of Bavaria" page, which refers to the Kings of Bavaria in the 1800's. This should probably be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.54.115.185 (talk) 03:46, 14 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirected it to the list: List of monarchs of Bavaria. This list includes him and his timeframe. Momgamer09 (talk) 03:51, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

WTF?
'Due to a decline in the written form in administration and government, Louis' reign predates Ottonian times."

I suggest removing this sentence because it makes no sense. Literacy aside, Louis's reign predates Ottonian times because they were in different centuries.


 * Direct transl. from the German page, where it seems to mean that a decline in writing foreshadowed (the administrative style of)the Ottonian age/era/period. T 84.208.86.134 (talk) 22:45, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Burial
Two questions. For 1,600 years, someone else was burried in Lorsch. When did it change to Ludwig II? How do we know?

Secondly, the caption of the photo for Lorsch states:

"Carolingian gatehouse (Torhalle) to Lorsch Abbey, where Louis the German was buried"

Where did this come from? Last I checked, the building is believed to have been profane, but no one knows what it was used for.

Hopefully this can be clarified. Cheers. 79.106.203.32 (talk) 09:41, 3 January 2024 (UTC)