Talk:Louise Bours

What is the basis for telling our readers that Louise Bours succeeded Nick Griffin?
I've spent half an hour looking for and failing to find the rules governing this preceded by/ succeeded by business when we are talking about a multi-seat constituency. This seems to work in some similar but inexplicable manner through many or all of these constituencies. I'm not sure where to raise it, so I'm initially raising it here because it illustrates the problem at its worst. The whole notion is confusing to readers, but here it has the effect of somehow associating Ms Bours with Nick Griffin in a manner which is both impossible for the reader to understand, but which appears POV, tendentious, and possibly defamatory (and thus a possible violation of WP:BLP, at least in spirit). Specifically in this case it can be seen as tending to smear UKIP as racist (as its opponents often tend to do), by associating it with the leader of the BNP. Perhaps, at least as a starting point, somebody can explain where the relevant rules governing 'preceded by' can be found? Tlhslobus (talk) 20:10, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * On second thoughts, I've decided that I've probably been foolish in writing the above and that I don't want to try to fix the matter at the risk of getting into some possibly exhausting, stressful, and distressing Wikipedia dispute, and maybe even damaging my health through the attendant stress (including, in the worst case scenario, the risk of a heart attack or a stroke), but that Ms Boors also has a moral right to know about the matter. So I've sent her an e-mail to let her know, and I'm now leaving the matter in the presumably far more capable hands of her and/or her party, and I'm now departing the scene and taking this page off my watch list. Tlhslobus (talk) 21:51, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

van der Bours?
There is a current edit dispute about whether Louise Bours was born "Louise van der Bours". Two citations were given: one in The Guardian and one from Political Scrapbook.

User:Urquhartnite argues that the Guardian article is "an outright fabrication". I can see no reason to characterise the article in these terms and the opinion of a single editor does not get to override a reliable source citation. User:Urquhartnite argues that the Political Scrapbook is not a reliable source: I don't have an opinion either way on that. However, I note that neither source states that Bours was born van der Bours. They both merely say she was previously known under that name. So they don't support the previous article text.

However, this appears to be a reliable source and states, "she explained that her father is actually Dutch and her full name is van der Bours." (Also repeated here.)

Ergo, I suggest the article states that her full name is van der Bours, citing the Chester Chronicle. Bondegezou (talk) 11:00, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Makes sense to me. theguardian.com is a reputable journalistic website so I don't see a problem with that one being used as a 'back-up' source too. Sionk (talk) 18:16, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Her name is Louise Bours. Van De Bours is a stage name based on an older version of her family. Source: She told me herself in person. Why would I make it up? Wordforge (talk) 20:32, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Also it says in this Huffingtopn post article that van de bours was a stage name http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/30/ukip-louise-bours-joey-barton-question-time_n_5416459.html ( Wordforge (talk) 17:52, 28 April 2016 (UTC) )

I grew up with Louise and she was absolutely always Louise Bours. Dadge (talk) 19:27, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

GRO source for name

 * Her birth was registered as Louise Bours, mother's maiden name Bennett, in Macclesfield in the Oct/Nov/Dec quarter of 1968; General Register Office. England and Wales Civil Registration Indexes. London, England: General Register Office via Ancestry.com. England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2008 Emerald (talk) 14:20, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Here's the URL: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gss=angs-c&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsfn=Louise&gsfn_x=0&gsln=Bours&gsln_x=0&msbdy=1968&msbpn__ftp=Congleton%2c+Cheshire%2c+England&msbpn=82424&msbpn_PInfo=8-|0|0|3257|3251|0|0|0|5257|82424|0|&cpxt=1&cp=11&MSAV=0&uidh=7p3&pcat=34&h=90581028&recoff=3+4&db=ONSBirth84&indiv=1&ml_rpos=1 Emerald (talk) 14:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

IMDB not RS
nb IMDB is not usually considered an RS, as it is user edited, the claims would probably be sourceable elsewhere.Pincrete (talk) 17:54, 8 August 2015 (UTC)


 * IMDB gives her stage name as Louise van de Buors (i.e. NOT Bours), which makes it seem highly unreliable in my opinion. Emerald (talk) 14:32, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Strange and obviously incorrectly worded claim
The article claims she "fronted 1940's big bands", but she was born in 1968. There is also another error earlier in the same sentence. Very poorly written article generally! Emerald (talk) 14:12, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * That should be 1940s-style: I have now made that edit. Bondegezou (talk) 14:16, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Will you also correct "She went on to appear as in...."? Emerald (talk) 14:23, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Feel free to do that yourself. Bondegezou (talk) 14:24, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I don't care enough to do that. Emerald (talk) 14:27, 4 March 2016 (UTC)