Talk:Louisville, Kentucky

Request for comment
Should 'Louisville' be used alone in titles for entities or disambiguated to be associated with Louisville, Kentucky? For example Central Station (Louisville), instead of "Central Station (Louisville, Kentucky)"? Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:48, 9 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you for bringing up this useful topic. I figured it would be helpful for the discussion to do an inventory of what we're dealing with. Below is the number of instances of related strings I've found in article titles, excluding redirects, proper names and NRHP designations, mostly at the trailing end of the titles:
 * "(Louisville)" – 17
 * "(Louisville, Kentucky)" – 48
 * ", Louisville" – 72 (all of them neighborhoods in Louisville, Kentucky)
 * ", Louisville, Kentucky" – 3
 * "in Louisville, Kentucky" – 13
 * "in Louisville" – 5
 * "of Louisville, Kentucky" – 10
 * "of Louisville" – 1
 * "Louisville's" – 1 (National Register of Historic Places listings in Louisville's West End)
 * Stefen Towers among the rest!  Gab • Gruntwerk 06:30, 10 January 2024 (UTC)


 * While WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:USPLACE, and a community decision to go by the AP style book for article titles for a set of major US cities, clearly pertain to the top-level article (this one), it becomes murkier at WP:PRECISION, WP:TITLEDAB and WP:NATURAL, where these are seemingly weighed with PRIMARYTOPIC/USPLACE in mind. Are we to insist on disambiguating everything associated with Louisville with "Louisville, Kentucky" or is there wiggle room for particular cases, given that ordinarily, given its sheer prominence compared to other places called 'Louisville' (plus Louisville has linked here for over 19 years), "Louisville, Kentucky" would be considered the primary topic for 'Louisville' and thus many if not most encyclopedic subjects related to Louisville mean "Louisville, Kentucky"? For instance, if a Louisville (KY) neighborhood only applied to the Louisville in Kentucky, is there a necessity to disambiguate further with ", Kentucky"? Where do we draw lines?  Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 20:31, 10 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Above I explored what I think are the parameters of the discussion. Now, here's my preference for what I think we should do, noting that my mind can be changed. Since we're not talking about the top-level article, we should put more weight on the predominant use of 'Louisville' and use it alone to disambiguate or to situate a place such as a neighborhood, unless further disambiguation with ", Kentucky" is necessary, like if you had a same-named neighborhood in both Louisville, Kentucky and Louisville, Colorado. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 22:18, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Reply: This may have been dealt with, and I didn't look, but I Agree, and don't think we ever need to over-disambiguate. The title, Louisville, Kentucky, clearly identifies the subject of the article as well as in the lead, "...is the most populous city in the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
 * A good thing is that silence on the discussion will likely mean there will not be any objections so be bold and "just do it" might be in order. --  Otr500 (talk) 05:54, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Article issues

 * I think some issues need addressing.

The article has enjoyed 2,256 editors, 370 watchers, and 55,429 pageviews in 30 days. Bear with me.
 * The second to last paragraph (Killing of Breonna Taylor in 2020) in the "20th and 21st centuries" subsections offers a little negativity in mentioning a chief was fired and four officers received federal charges. It adds but no significant systemic changes were made.
 * My issues are the long timeline of, take your pick, lack of neutraility, one of our fundamental principles), that includes due and undue weight and balance.
 * There has been a lot of good news, including the "Public safety" subsection. Louisville has been recognized as a "friendship city" in the "Sister cities" section. In the "Utilities" subsection: "In June 2008, the Louisville Water Company received the "Best of the Best" award from the American Water Works Association, citing it as the best-tasting drinking water in the country." It received the "43rd "most walkable" score. There is a fleet of zero-emissions buses even though there is no nuclear power and 70% of the energy comes from coal.
 * What concerns me is the safety and the police.


 * 'Our lives are never the same'. Slain victims' relatives reflect at end of violent decade, The DOJ says the Louisville police routinely violated civil rights,
 * JCPS: Only fix for late buses is to stop transporting magnet and traditional students.
 * Maybe buss pay stinks,


 * Louisville’s Forgotten History Of Police Officers In The KKK,
 * The Deep Roots Of Louisville’s Rage Over The Police Killing Of Breonna Taylor
 * New report details decades long systematic problems in Louisville policing
 * 'This Conduct is Unacceptable' Department of Justice issues scathing report into Louisville police practices
 * In Louisville, Federal Report on Abusive Policing Comes as No Surprise
 * 5 events that highlight Louisville police’s racist past
 * The State Police also have has some issues:


 * Where Lots of Police Shootings Draw Little Scrutiny.
 * There is currently not a State Police presence in Louisville.
 * Anyway there appears to be some issues in Louisville maybe someone can look at, that might warrant mention. -- Otr500 (talk) 14:46, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply. You have valid concerns that a city article such as this doesn't have full, balanced coverage of the above and other subjects. The main ways to improve it, though, are making incremental, cited changes, or starting a "add x" or "change x to y" discussion. Specific concerns of coverage lacking can also be written up in the to do list above. I personally would like to improve the article (more than I already have) but there's too much overall work to do, inside and out of the Wikipedia. The best way to guarantee changes are made is being bold and doing it yourself. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk  Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 23:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Reply: Thank you for your reply. I am aware of boldly editing to fix issues. My personal "Wikipedia to-do-list" is currently around a hundred pages and have added this one. You and I are two of 2,256 editors. I leave talk page comments 1)- to minimize reverts by article protectors, and 2)- so that when I, as well as any others, can see issues noted and have a starting point. Again, thank you for your reply, -- Otr500 (talk) 18:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Portrait of George Rogers Clark
You added this photo of George Rogers Clark back to the article. While Clark is significant and relevant to Louisville's history, his portrait is decorative and not "an important illustrative aid to understanding", per MOS:IMAGES. Likewise, photos of Muhammad Ali and Louis XVI would also be decorative. However, there are photos in this article of the George Rogers Clark Memorial Bridge, the Muhammad Ali Center, and multiple places named after the King. Please explain why a portrait hanging in the Smithsonian Institution needs inclusion in this city article. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Because he's the founder of the city. Showing readers what the founder of the city looks like is informative. The other people you mention aren't founders of the city. This is also a longstanding inclusion in the article - why is there an issue with its inclusion all of a sudden, after decades? Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 18:24, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Further, how he's dressed adds more information, that he's an American Revolutionary War figure and founded the city during that time. For especially young readers who are introduced to the subject of the city, it is natural to show the person who founded it and the context of that moment. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 18:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * His portrait is decorative. There are images of places in the city named after him, but readers don't need to see what the founder looked like. Look at Cleveland, a featured article, where there is a photo of a statue of Moses Cleaveland in the city. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I disagree. I have explained why it's not. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 19:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Further, the city does have a statue of GRC, but we can't include it apparently due to US copyright nonsense. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 19:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * If you or anyone would like to identify an alternative image that shows the city's founder in a more descriptive, less artsy manner, that would be fine by me, as including a visual depiction of the city's founder seems obvious and reasonable. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 19:22, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

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Stefen Towers among the rest!  Gab • Gruntwerk 18:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)