Talk:Louisville, Kentucky/Archive 1

=Archive of Previous Discussions=

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This is an archive of the previous discussions (prior to FA status) for the Louisville, Kentucky article.

Basketball capital (?) and talk radio
"Basketball capital of the world"? Can someone other than a Kentuckian confirm this?

Also, why is there a "see also" on talk radio? Vicki Rosenzweig


 * The talk radio page has a reference to WHAS radio, which is in Louisville. I assume that is the reason for the see also, though it does seem to be a little bit of a stretch to me. -- Igjeff 16:41, 4 Jul 2004


 * I removed the See also's for "talk radio" and "Lytle family", as both seemed to strain to even be tangential to the article. Now, if somebody wants to write an article on the Bingham family, a link to that would make sense. -- Stevietheman 23:09, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Census data
I added data from the 2000 census, however from the information Louiville got merged with another county, so this data is probably old. If someone could explain the merge more clearly it would probably be helpful. -- Ram-Man


 * The city-county merger (the county is named Jefferson County) didn't happen until the beginning of 2003, so the 2000 census numbers should be accurate for Louisville pre-merger. I'll have to do some looking to find the post-merger numbers.


 * It should be noted that the city-county merger did not dissolve all of the rest of the cities in Jefferson county as many of the pages for the other cities states. I think some of the cities may have chosen to dissolve themselves, and perhaps the merger dissolved some of the smaller ones (I'm not sure on this point), but the larger ones, for sure, still exist independantly.  An example is Jeffersontown Kentucky, which certainly still exists seperately from Louisville. -- Igjeff 16:41, 4 Jul 2004


 * True - all the cities that existed before merger continue to exist (with the notable exception of the City of Louisville itself, which was dissolved in the creation of Louisville Metro). Citizens of cities like Jeffersontown vote for two mayors (J-Town and Metro), and two city councils.  --  Bill Lumbergh 27 Aug 2004.


 * The numbers according to the Census for the "post-merger" Louisville released last month for the 2004 city estimates. According to the figures, Louisville "remainder" (not including other incorporated places in the county) had a population of 556,332; which ranked 26th in the country. The reason the census doesn't count the "County" tally for Louisville is due to the fact that there are other incorporated muncipalities in the county, thus the Census treat these places seperately, in other words, Louisville's population from the census only counts for the "prior" city boundaries and the unincorporated areas that merged into Louisville. For the list of dissolved unincorporated Census Designated Places, please see Jefferson County, Kentucky or to look at the list of 2004 estimates, go to http://www.census.gov and click "Estimates" in the list of options. --Moreau36 1417, 29 Jul 2005

Photo for Louisville
Louisville needs a photo image in the article. Anyone have a good one to add? -- Stevietheman 22:40, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * To be more specific, this article needs an image of Louisville's skyline. -- Stevietheman 15:44, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Done! -- Stevietheman 21:11, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Had to change the photo of the skyline due to copyright permission issues raised during the FA approval process. This photo is was a little hazy at first, but I've cleaned it up a bit in Photoshop, plus it's my photo, so I've listed it with the GFDL license. Once the weather clears up a bit, I may go down to the shoreline in Indiana and take another photo with sunny weather. Dr. Cash 22:20, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciation
I changed the part about the pronunciation; I don't see how a pronunciation used by hardly any residents of a city can be considered its 'proper pronunciation'. Users:ryangabbard:Ryan Gabbard


 * Disagree. The proper phonetic pronunciation is indeed "Loo-ee-vil".  Just because a majority have taken to mispronounce it doesn't evade the proper pronunciation. -- Stevietheman 17:41, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * I'm with Ryan, the "correct" pronunciation of a location, region, whatever, is the pronunciation of the residents/natives of that location.Igjeff 01:00, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * The funny thing is, however... many in the media and political leaders use "Loo-ee-vil" as a "King's English" way of saying it, while most in the populace regularly say "Loo-uh-vul". I was born/raised and lived most of my life in Louisville... I know what I'm talking about. -- Stevietheman 04:42, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * I don't think we're disagree on who uses it what way (born and raised Louisvillian as well). I think we're only talking about what should be considered "correct."  Obviously there are different schools of thought on this, and the pronunciation of Louisville is certainly a grey area.  I've always understood that, in the field of geography, the common native pronunciation is considered "correct."  I'm not trained in that field, however (though my brother has some training along these lines...I'll ask him about it next time I talk to him).  Igjeff 19:36, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I agree, the only correct way to pronounce a place name is they way the people who live there do. We get that a lot in Massachusetts. Concord is Kon-kud (now you know how to properly say the name for the grapes) Peabody is Peebiddy etc. etc. I remember my Louisville Army buddies threw an R in there, sounded like Loo-ur-vul.

Does anyone want to try to write the pronunciation(s) in IPA or SAMPA? --the Epopt 21:10, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I've converted it to IPA. rossb 20:19, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't disagree with showing IPA, but I was taught the old standard in school, and I'm afraid most Americans wouldn't understand IPA. Just a thought. &mdash;  Stevie is the man!  Talk 00:53, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

To illustrate the variety in Louisville's many pronunciations, and to show the city's acceptance of varying pronunciations by visitors, I've added a photo of the Convention & Visitors' Bureau logo display the popular "pronunciation guide". Dr. Cash 03:54, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

What's missing
More in terms of Louisville's history in relation to its placement on the Ohio (at the Falls) is crucial to an understanding of how the city grew and developed over time. This should include the mention of Shippingport and Portland (great maps exist of 1890's Louisville and Shippingport). This would provide a nice segway into accounts of the history of some of the traditional neighborhoods that exist on the west end. Also, while Louisville began as a shipping port, it also had an important role as a railroad town. Louisville and Nashville railroad was influential in the region, and the impact of railroad on L'ville as a shipping port is also important. Does anyone want to help me out with this? It could be quite an undertaking.... --Rakatk0 02:20, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Just thought of another section we could add: Transportation. We could add info about the Ohio River Bridges project, the interstates, TARC, etc. &mdash; Stevie is the man!  Talk 03:16, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

"A historic" or "an historic"
"A historic" is correct in American English, and since Louisville is an American city, we should use American English. – Quadell (talk) (help) 18:54, Dec 30, 2004 (UTC)


 * I disagree with the opinion links, but I don't see a need to start an edit conflict over it. I'll leave it. --Stevietheman 19:17, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The Kentucky Center
This link proves that the place is now called The Kentucky Center. "...for the Arts" was dropped off. &mdash; Stevie is the man!  Talk 18:15, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

OK, I see what happened. The article was misnamed. So I moved it to a new article The Kentucky Center and redirect Kentucky Center for the Arts there now. Sorry for the mixup. &mdash; Stevie is the man!  Talk 18:23, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Most Catholic city in the South?
Besides being unsubstantiated (Is that by number of Catholics? Percentage of those reporting a religion?  Some historical criterion?), the claim that Louisville is the most Catholic city in the South would seem to be easily refuted by the presence of New Orleans, as well as other cities in Louisiana (Baton Rouge, Lafayette, etc.)  In addition, the growing Hispanic populations in Atlanta, Dallas, and Houston would also challenge Louisville's claim on all but historical grounds. SwissCelt 02:48, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

History
This article is really looking great! I think it's almost ready for peer review. The only obvious bit lacking is the History section. If we get that expanded to 2 or 3 times its current size, I'd say we'll be close to having a featured article here! – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 14:43, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

Many details, added to the History section. I've subdivided this section into several major parts:
 * Early History
 * Colonial Era
 * City Development
 * Twentieth Century

I may also include a Modern Times category as well, if necessary. I'm still working on compiling information for the twentieth century sections, although much of the earlier information is done. Dr. Cash 18:12, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Highway suggested changes
Interstate 264 (Kentucky) is called the "Shawnee" West of 65, and the Watterson is officially only east of 65 (although people tend to call all of 264 the Watterson. Also, calling 265 the "outer loop" is confusing, since there is a major street named "Outer Loop" that runs parallel to it. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 13:58, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm, guess I don't get to west of I-65 very often,... ;-) Also, originally I was using the terms "inner loop" and "outer loop" simply to designate which one is on the inside vs. the outside. Though considering the presence of "Outer Loop Road" which is something different, I can see how that is confusing. Dr. Cash 14:45, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Culture
Using the Seattle, Washington article as a model, I've created a new section, second on the list, for People and Culture. I've moved the Demographics, Media, and Sports sections as sub-sections under this main heading, as they are with the Seattle page. I created new sections for Annual Cultural Events and Fairs and Museums and Art Collections. Probably still need a section for Performing Arts. I'm toying with the idea of moving the Pronunciation section to BEFORE the People and Culture section, since it seems to me like it would fit better if it were before that section and not after it. Dr. Cash 16:01, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

History section reference to highways
The statement "Several highways, including Interstate 64 and Interstate 265 were completed in the 1980s." doesn't ring true. I-64 was already complete well before the 1980s, leaving I-265. And I'm unsure as to what the other highways being completed would be. Any thoughts? &mdash; Stevie is the man!  Talk 15:40, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Hm, you're right, sort of. The last part of I-64 was complete in 1988 in West Virginia, but that doesn't pertain to Louisville. According to this, "Construction on some segments of what is now known was the Gene Snyder Freeway began in the 1950s. That route was completed through the 1980s." Be that as it may, most of the highway was open in the 60s. The sentence is misleading, and I'll remove it. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 17:05, July 29, 2005 (UTC)