Talk:Louisville, Kentucky/Archive 12

Louisville is not Midwest
Reading the ablove, I agree that actual evidence should and always support and entries to this site, but I do understand and sgree with most of the above post stating Cincinnati is the Northern most Southern City. I have never read that Louisville is considered a Northern City. If the US Census bureau has louisville in the Southern states, then that is concrete factual evidence. The US Census is not only a population total, but it gives definition to the regional dividing lines on maps, demographics, etc..etc.. Even the other pages on this site shows Louisville and Kentucky as southern in all repsect. I clicked on ever possible link and never saw Louisville as a Northern City. What I did find is something new to me, is that Southern Indiana and Illinois are more southern influenced than they are Northern/Midwest. I think people base their facts by searching the Civil War period with Louisville, when it was Union for the most part because of occupation by Northern troops and the facts it was an official military border state. The geographics of "midwest" to me is not accurate. The west officially begins in Missouri. Ohio, Michigan Illinois and Indiana are geographic North-Eastern States. The official lines can be found in any official geographical site or documents. I searched and researched and do not find any evidence that Louisville is a Northern City. One of the above mention Southern Living, which is a culture magazine. I serached Midwest Living Magazine and Louisville is not one of their cities. Louisville is listed in Southern Living, which is a magazine dealing with the culture of the South, Foods, Life-styles, etc..etc.. Of course I do not think Southern Living is official evidence, but it does prove a point. Southern Indiana, when seraching seems more influence by by the South, especially in culture. The term someone mention above, Kentuckiana is fiction, no such region, area offically exsist. This is a term born in the 1950s to promote business in that area. Jerry Abramson made it more popular while Mayor, which has spread in many ways, which has compromised Louisville's idenitity. Yes, there are feeling in the comments, but in some of the comments there are facts. I am from Louisville and know the culture, even with this Kentuckiana term. I undertsand and that is why I spent half the day reseraching. No, I agree with solid facts and the two items that many readers point out above, I must agree. I can list the facts, but I would think the US Census and many of the other pages on this site gives plenty of facts. THe US Census Official Regions and other sources is fact. According to them, official maps are based on their information. Louisville not listed as a Northern City. This entry in the site, should be removed. I am not sure Louisville is geographic the most northern southern city. Richmond, VA and Baltimore, Maryland may be above the official regional lines. I only searched Louisville and Cincinnati. With respect, joller@infionline.net 72.172.48.244 (talk) 18:02, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Article length
Seriously. This was mentioned in Archive 3 of talk: isn't this length a bit protracted? It seems as though lists of links might suffice to make this article actually readable (for instance, as in any other articles on a city). Should the article for the city of Louisville, Kentucky really be five times longer than the article on London, England - a city of 10x the population? Even if all the information is relevant, it does tend to err on the comprehensive - as if it is a rehashing of what you'd discover in a fat travel book. There is a risk of naming too many sites, establishments, venues, and details about universities: where does it end? Should every business in Louisville have a link or a whole summary? Isn't that what Google Maps is for when people decide to visit a city? If the people editing this ever hope that this is a featured article again they may want to think a little more critically about the value of content rather than insist on making a glaring effort to advertise. It comes off like unearned merit or propaganda. But this "truth in advertising" city is full of such exclamatory need: "Yum!" "Fourth Street Live!" Like a strange, drowning cry: "We exist!" Euanthes (talk) 10:25, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

I take no exception to any criticisms made above, and the entry does contain unsourced opinion. My Louisville ancestry dates back to 1881. Louisville is not unique, but resembles other cities along the north-south border: Tulsa, Kansas City, St. Louis, Cincinnati, and perhaps even Little Rock. When I was boy, I often saw copies of Southern Living in Louisville living rooms. The problem is that Louisville's upper South self-image is not always aligned with its lower midwest reality. The city sided with the Union during the Civil War, and slavery was limited to the domestic servants of a few wealthy families. Kentucky was one of four slave owning states that did not secede, and Appalachian Kentucky was GOP until the 1960s. After Reconstruction, many educated Louisvillians became nostalgic for an antebellum lifestyle that had never prevailed there. Manufacturing became economically important in the midwestern way. Racial segregation was adopted, but in 1956, Louisville schools desegregated very early and very quietly, by a unilateral decision of the Superintendent. Louisville became yellow dog Democrat in politics, but the GOP has been strong at the county level since the 1950s. Many Louisvillians have German ancestry, a fact the city shares with the midwest and not the South.111.69.250.192 (talk) 16:06, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Commons - NARA
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 * Could somebody have a look at these images. I think they are all Louisville, Ohio River in 1972:
 * Thx --Chris.urs-o (talk) 05:37, 9 February 2012 (UTC)