Talk:Louisville, Kentucky/Archive 9

Population and ranking figures
I would like to update the population and ranking figures, and base them off what is supplied in List of United States cities by population. However, the figures there don't seem to be the latest figures, and their figures for consolidated city/county governments appear to be a year behind the population figures for the main list of cities (including Louisville balance). I've asked them about this in that article's talk. Once the figures are brought up to date, then it would be good to go through this article with corrections. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 17:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The consolidated population figures were just brought up to date in List of United States cities by population, so I have updated all the figures in this article. Because not all of 2008's numbers have been released yet, I have level-set all the numbers to 2007 values.  Note that the Louisville MSA and CSA articles are not level-set this way, yet.  Stevie is the man!  Talk &bull; Work 18:34, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * In regard to this issue, I noticed the population figures indicate a substantial decline since 1960 of over a third, yet I didn't notice this discussed in the article at all. Is this just a shift to the suburbs of the metro area or is it an overall drop due to the decline in traditional factory and manufacturing jobs that were the boon of the US economy from the Civil War until the 1970s?Tom Cod (talk) 20:50, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Russian version of this article became Good article
Луисвилл --gobi (talk) 05:29, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Flood
I started, this. 2009 Flood of Louisville, Kentucky We can merge rename, just getting it started now. &mdash;Charles Edward (Talk 14:00, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Cite mania
Was putting a cite tag behind almost every sentence without a specific source really required??? I mean really, in case you didn't know there are "section" and "article" tags that would have been much more appropo and not made the entire article a hideous morass of cite tags. "I am still breathing" (citation needed) Zotel - the Stub Maker (talk) 15:40, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It was a result of the featured article review. I agree it's a hideous morass, but at the same time, we do need to make sure the article is thoroughly referenced, and these tags are good (hopefully) temporary markers for that. I didn't add them, by the way.  At any rate, thanks for all your work!  Stevie is the man!  Talk &bull; Work 19:48, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Louisville a Southern City!
What I am concerned about, is that this site is an easy search on just about any subject one can imagine. If I type a word into Google, more than likely I will get a Wikipedia entry. Now, my major concern is that in refrence to several Kentucky related topics, mainly composed by Stevietheman and AcDixon. At first, when reading the Louisville, Kentucky and the Civil War articles---I thought, this information is correct, but some of the wording makes in incorrect. The fear of young students reading these articles and doing reports based on the information within the contexts is nothing more than damage. Words like "Shadow Government" and phrases with "Louisville's midwestern culture" are items that are simply not true. If Louisville has midwest influence, it is not from that city or the state which it is in--It is from those midwest people that have moved into the city. How can you have subjects such as the "First skyscrapper of the South" located in a midwest city? How can you have a Confederate monument titled "To OUR Southern Dead" in a midwest city? I could make a list that would be on and on. I think that this new "Kentuckiana" jargon has hurt Louisville beyond repair--I have spoken with radio, TV and Tourism officials in Louisville and 95 percent of them agree that the Indiana connection to Louisville has all but runied the identity. No other city, such as Chattanooga, TN where the street is divided with the state line of TN-GA do that have a name such as what Louisville has done. It is something happen in the 1970s, after segregation took place with busing, that Ketuckians moved up to Indiana to escape their children's movement to various schools. Those noew Hoosiers wanted to keep their Kentucy status and came up with this Kentuckiana jargon. It has now spread 60 miles south into Elizabethtown. When others do their Wikipedia pages on other cities in the state--They will read what Mr. Stevietheman has written on Lousville and feed from that--Thus adding to the flame. The border state and connections to anything northern came from the civil war status---Kentucky was always considered southern and if people like ACDixon and others would read real accounts--They would see that the Confederate Government of Kentucky was alot more than what he wrote. I will not be communicating with either Stevietheman or ACDixon bout these topics again--I have said my peace. Wikipedia has told me how to change the articles I disagree with and to contact them with my concerns--At first I did and wated to make the corrections, but knew that was wrong--I did not wriote it and would not appreciate someone changing what I had written. But I will not stop condmening both these two writers on their bias articles, simply because I want Kentuckians to know the truth.


 * I will just say to look at the edit histories of these articles and you will find many, many other contributors. Further, what this individual is attacking is largely sourced, as it should be in an encyclopedia. Stevie is the man!  Talk &bull; Work 12:32, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I would also have to respectfully disagree with our interlocutor. Kentucky was a "border state", meaning a place with conflicted loyalties and large constituencies for both sides in the Civil War and an intersection of Southern and Northern (or in the case of Kentucky and Missouri, Midwestern) influences (bluegrass and bluegrass music being an archetypical Midwestern and Southern "country" phenomenon).  It is clear, however, where our interlocutor's sympathies lie, but he is wrong in thinking that secession and the Confederacy were not opposed in KY by a substantial portion of the population.  Let us not forget that Honest Abe was born in Kentucky and in fact Kentucky had a large percentage of its population that was Unionist in their sympathies, "Southern" or not, something dating way before the 1970s.  A recent biography of Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, ("Louis Brandeis, A Life" by Melvin Urofsky, (Pantheon, 2009)), the first Jewish person elevated to the Supreme Court in 1916, indicates that he was born and raised in Louisville in a family of German immigrants who came there after 1848 and that more volunteers enlisted with the Union army from Kentucky than with the Confederates and that even prior to 1861 the Republican Party had a strong presence in Louisville, with one of Brandeis' family members having been a Lincoln delegate to the Chicago party convention in 1860.  Moreover, the city and manufacturing and shipping interests therein that were the backbone of its economy, like the firm owned by Brandeis' family, prospered during the Civil War on supplying Union troops as Louisville became a major base for Union operations in this region, although the Confederates did make an unsuccessful attempt to take the city at one point. Thus the comparison with Chattanooga of the Deep South is completely inapposite. For a more detailed discussion of this issue see Wikipedia article Louisville in the American Civil War with photos of monuments to the Union dead that also exist in that city. Tom Cod (talk) 21:21, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation
I am concerned about the accuracy of the pronunciation section of the article. It does not seem to cite any sources. I understand it is important to let the reader know the different ways the name can be pronounced, but that should not allow shoddy editing. Personally, as a life long resident, I have never heard the name pronounced with two syllables, and without references it makes me wonder whether that is just an accent non- locals are hearing Savetheted (talk) 15:15, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that the section needs references, and if any of it can't be referenced, it should be rewritten or withdrawn. I'll try to find some time over the next week to see if I have any books here that can back up what's being said.  That said, I have lived most of my life in Louisville, and I have indeed heard the two-syllable version -- I think it depends on what part of the city you live in.  Stevie is the man!  Talk &bull; Work 18:58, 6 November 2009 (UTC)