Talk:Louvre Pyramid

This article has no clear introductory sentence that illustrates the topic.
This article has no clear introductory sentence that illustrates the topic. No background information or history of the Louvre pyramid is provided. There's no overview or table of contacts on how the article is organized. The writing style is no clear or concise at all. No sign of transitions or organized paragraph structure is present and there is a severe lack of information. There are no images at all. The article is at a C-class status and could be improved greatly by adding more information and organizing ideas. The article is very poorly developed. — Menacing djungelskog (talk) 20:49, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

[Untitled]
I'm fairly sure the inverse pyramid is not directly below the glass pyramid. I think, from memory of a This info had been removed in a previous edit Cfitzart 19:18, 20 January 2006 (UTC) :

"The architect of the pyramid claims copyright on the monument and derivative images, and it has been questioned whether photos by members of the public taken of the pyramid are copyrighted."


 * In fact, it would probably fall in the fair use category, just like an image taken from a movie which is present on an article to represent this article thus the movie in question. 24.203.251.69 06:27, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

purpose
What is the use of this pyramid? --AlanH 02:14, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It allows sunlight to reach underground galleries. Charles 05:44, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

"original proposal"
this addition needs to site a source and be reformatted for an encyclopedic style ka1iban 06:24, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

"666 panes of glass"
Well, it is evident that it can't consist of 666 panes: all four sides of the pyramid are identical, and 666 isn't evenly divisble by four. --213.100.47.74 23:28, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Well if you look at the picture you'll see that there is an entrance on one side making all four sides not identical Oxyman 21:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

"1984"
Definitely, a reference to George Orwell's '1984', for those who have read the book - the Ministry of Truth was a pyramid made of glass. Can any one confirm? Because this is not a coincidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtrepkos (talk • contribs) 17:53, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Cite on "Solid is for..." quote?
As far as I can tell this page (and other pages cribbing from it) is the only one with the quote from I.M. Pei. Is there a source for it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevinatilusa (talk • contribs) 00:45, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I ended up deleting the quote since I can't find any references to it anywhere...feel free to add it back in with source. Kevinatilusa

Awesome girl
This makes no sense, elaborate please —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.158.0.237 (talk) 20:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Vandalised
Random made up name, and awesome girl added to it, I vote for moving back to French president. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.158.0.237 (talk) 20:29, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

The Extraordinary Adventures of Adèle Blanc-Sec
Film shows view of Louvre without Pyramid and Ramses II, impressed with the beauty of the courtyard, announces he will build a pyramid here later.

78.63.27.227 (talk) 19:20, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Entirely of Glass
In the intro it says that the pyramid I made entirely of glass, but you can clearly see the metal bracing in it too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.235.118.214 (talk) 02:07, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The context is that there is no concrete or substantial material used other than for bracing. Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:02, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Freedom of panorama?
France has no right to freedom of panorama, so images that focus on the pyramid are a breach of the architect's copyright; almost 100 such images have been deleted from the Wikimedia Commons. I'm absolutely not suggesting that the images be removed from the article — particularly as France appears to have a de minimis attitude to prosecution on FoP issues — but there should probably be some mention of this in the article, like there is for the Atomium and the Eiffel Tower, for example. This is particularly pertinent as it's about to be a political issue in the European Union; see Commons:Freedom of Panorama 2015 and the article in this week's Signpost by Jheald. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 20:33, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

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The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion: Participate in the deletion discussion at the. —Community Tech bot (talk) 19:37, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Louvre Museum Wikimedia Commons.jpg
 * The cited reason to delete the file is that it in used in articles like this, and thus the pyramids are not de minimis. Here the use is indeed not de minimis and therefore not covered by the licence cited at commons. In other articles de minimis would apply. So please copy the image to here with a fair use rationale. Until that, I replace the two (night and day) images with a censored version. --LPfi (talk) 08:37, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

While I understand, though am deeply disquieted by, the French FoP law, does this extend over to English Wikipedia (or even Wikipedia in general) which I understand to operate under U.S laws? Is the uncensored photograph illegal under U.S law as well? If not, then we should remove the ghastly censored image and replace it with a proper photograph. I am incredibly unhappy with this article presenting a censored image. 69.136.119.169 (talk) 10:21, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Someone should copy the image to Wikipedia if Commons is trying to bow down to pressure. From the image page at Commons: "This is a featured picture on Wikimedia Commons (Featured pictures) and is considered one of the finest images." A featured picture facing deletion because of censorship? The Wikimedia Foundation is better than that, and the quality of their service to humanity is probably the best defense against such draconian law. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:47, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I see there is a long history of deleting high quality images of the Louvre pyramids since at least 2013. (See here.) If the image is kept off of Wikimedia Commons such as this image https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Louvre_Pyramid.jpg, then I see no issue restoring the original uncensored to the article. This would seem to comply with Wikipedia's rules according to here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-U.S._copyrights as images of the Louvre pyramids are not considered copyright violations under U.S law. As far as Wikimedia Commons is concerned, there does seem to be a long history on this topic! To summarize my own findings for future readers: Wikimedia commons only allows free content, but since freedom of panorama copyright is unsettled in an international setting for whether or not Lex loci protectionis applies. Therefore, the "default" is that the content must be freely licensed or public domain in both the U.S and the source country. Here's a discussion of FoP for specifically France and another one here though I do not speak French. With all of that said: The image in question, to me, clearly is an image of the plaza in totality and not specifically an image of the pyramids and thus falls under "de minimis" exception, which should make it except under French law and therefore allowed on Wikimedia Commons. I will repeat this on the deletion nomination page.69.136.119.169 (talk) 11:47, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I've restored the original images. Intellectually, I believe the "de minimis" justification linked above is sufficient. Emotionally, I believe it is for the benefit of all humankind.69.136.119.169 (talk) 12:23, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It's also worth noting that French copyright law was updated in 2016 with the following provision: "When the work has been divulged, the author can not prohibit: reproductions and representations of works of architecture and sculpture, placed permanently in public places, and created by natural persons, with the exception of commercial use." 69.136.119.169 (talk) 12:36, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Good find. You should maybe also bring this information to the nomination page to get an explanation of why, given this legal wording, it was nominated. Although maybe the courtyard of the Louvre doesn't qualify as a public space (the camera was in a public space). Randy Kryn (talk) 14:34, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

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