Talk:Loveline/Archive 1

Drew vs. Pinsky
I believe the "Dr. Pinsky" references should be changed back to "Dr. Drew". While "Dr. Pinsky" is more formal and is certainly more correct in a certain sense, and should probably be used for articles like New York Minute, during the show, he almost always (if not always) goes by "Dr. Drew", and I think most references to him here should be as "Dr. Drew". --Interiot 15:49, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


 * That's fine. I was the one that changed most of the references of Dr. Drew to Dr. Pinsky in the first place. I have changed most of these references back to be Dr. Drew. --Rookkey 07:00, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Cohosts
I'm not sure all of those co-hosts should be listed. I've never heard serious talk of DAG (Grier) as a co-host, and Hughley and a few others haven't been on for several months. Steve-O is the only one who have openly lobbied for the job on air; he did it on Adam Carolla's radio show.
 * I agree. Dr. Drew is the sole host right now, right? --Liface 04:57, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * DAG deserves some kind of mention though. He's been so funny on the show.

Producers/Engineers/Call Screeners
I don't know if this section should be there. It's informative, but it's going to be hard to find sources for it. I'm marking it as unsourced for now. --Liface 21:55, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I was thinking something similar yesterday -- does anybody care who the call screeners are? Uucp 22:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I sourced many of the phone screeners info just now. I'm the same person who posted the names of the screeners. 5:35 PM, 15 May 2006 (CST)


 * The "sources" are the shows themselves. I've been going through them and taking care of it.  No source is really needed. CJMylentz 08:03, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Assuming it's 100% accurate, it is relevant or notable? I'm sure the article on I Love Lucy doesn't mention the show's continuity person. Below some level, these people are just not interesting. Uucp 10:55, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd have to agree. I love when Adam jokes around with the call screeners, but they just aren't notable enough for an encyclopedic articles. The quotes are going to have to go, too. --Liface 17:50, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The quotes shouldn't have to go. Half of the movies on here have quote sections, please quit deleting this stuff.  Wikipedia should be a grouping of as much knowledge as we can get  our hands on.  C'mon guys.


 * I strongly disagree. Wikipedia is not supposed to be "a grouping of as much knowledge as we can get our hands on." It's supposed to be an encyclopedia and it has a notability test. If something isn't notable, it shouldn't be here. Why on earth is a the first name of a phone screener for a radio show in 2001 notable? Uucp 02:02, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It is as notable as having a listing og the crew behind a film or television show. These people are part of the show.  CJMylentz 06:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * On what TV show articles are the crew listed? --Liface 06:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is specifically not an indescriminate collection of information. --W.marsh 02:55, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe without the phone screeners, Loveline listeners would hear nothing but "Mason Jar" calls, i.e. bogus calls, every night. Let's HEAL SOME BABIES!
 * I agree. They are important to running the show in the background, as we have said already. But they are not encyclopedic. --Liface 21:45, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I truly believe that the phone screeners are as important as the engineers and are referenced many many times. CJMylentz 02:18, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I am starting to think it's time to remove the engineers too. They may be important, but they're no more notable than the brand of microphones that the show uses, or the color shirt Drew wears while they record. It's a pointless detail to include. Uucp 02:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * On a common radio show, yes. However, on Loveline the engineers, phone screeners and producers have been mentioned quite frequently over the years.  For example, Engineer Chris has had entire segments (more like angry rants) devoted to the fact that he goes to junior college.  Scanning the list, most of the people listed have had a decent amount of radio time devoted to things about them - Michelle is a lesbian, Anderson is challenged to sound effects contests, Chris is known for going to JC.  I'm not sure about the other people listed, but I've only been an on and off listener for the past few years.  This isn't a case of, say, listing every person who worked on Lord of the Rings in that Wiki.SGreenwell 02:46, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well for the engineers to stay at least, more verifiable information is needed. It looks like crap right now with so many "?" all over the place. --Liface 03:21, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Let me see what I can find on the Loveline Companion, which is normally the best collection of information on Loveline happenings. Some of the start dates for the engineers might be hard, but at the least, we can probably pinpoint a "first on-air mention" date.SGreenwell 04:41, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've tried to add as many dates as I can by using the Companion, which has a journal mentioning most of the show's major happenings. Those are the earliest references to both Lauren and Chris that I can find, and I'm not entirely sure when Michelle was hired.  Without listening to the radio broadcasts, it would be hard to pinpoint specific time periods.SGreenwell 05:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

What about Engineer Mike Dooley? Why was his information removed? --Lovelinelistener 22:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I removed that portion because 1) I wasn't sure of who Mike was, even though I've listened to most of the shows between 2003 and present and 2) I don't think he's been on air that much. My memory could be hazy though, so I'd be open to information supporting his inclusion. However, I know in the past a criticism of this page has been that it gives out too much information on the bit players, so if you do include him you might want to provide a little reason why he's important somewhere else in the article. SGreenwell 07:15, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This debate should be open for argument again. It's easy to tell that many on the "editors" have very limited knowledge of Loveline from their arguments alone. For example, User:SGreenwell removed info on Engineer Mike Dooley because he personally did not hear about Engineer Mike Dooley during his time listening. Furthermore, did User:Uucp really compare loveline engineers to microphones and other items found in a radio station? In the word of the great Adam Corolla: Uh, Really?

Date of first national syndication?
I've been listening to "Loveline" on and off for about a dozen years on its station of origin, KROQ in Los Angeles. It seems to me that the show only went into national syndication years after Rachtman left - maybe around 2002 or 2003, which is about when I started hearing callers from outside of the Los Angeles area calling in. If anybody knows for sure, and if I'm correct, would you please change the article to reflect accurately when (in the last couple of years) "Loveline" became nationally syndicated?
 * It was national a long time before that. I first heard it in about 1997 but it might have been national for long before then. I don't know about where callers came from in general, but long before 2002 they had a national hotline, 1-800-LOVE-191. --Howdybob 10:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added a citation to an article linked on the Loveline Companion from an August 1996 Daily Minnesota. In the article, it mentions when the show was first nationally syndicated, as well as the competition for airtime between Rikki and Adam. SGreenwell 00:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Dr. Drew as "engineer"
Someone posted this in the article, I moved it here:


 * Dr. Drew also stated on the June 8, 2006 show that he ran the sound board for about 10 years on Loveline, including putting in the cart tapes for the intros, outros, and commercials. I'm guessing this 10 year period was from about 1986 until 1996, when Westwood One began syndicating the show and Mike Dooley was the engineer. --Liface 21:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Quotes that have been cut
Here are some I cut. Adam: Drew:
 * "Whaddaya gonna do?"
 * "At least you can say you never duked into a decorative popcorn tin."
 * "What ya gonna do?"
 * "Gee, am I drunk!"
 * "JobCorps is prison, with a flathead shovel."
 * "He's a big boy."
 * "I said GOOD DAY!"
 * "Okay, baby doll."
 * "Gotta get it on! No choice but to get it on! Mandate: get it on!"
 * "Are you high!?"
 * "Whoooo?" (Mexican Accent)
 * "Asian or Jew?"
 * "It takes all kinds."     (I think the "we can't judge" covers that idea)
 * "When I was 19 I ate six boiled peyote buttons but felt no effect."
 * "What's up Vica!"
 * "Yoooooou'rrrrrrrrrrre gaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy"
 * "He's gay!"
 * "Are you a mormon?"
 * "Good times."

Some other Drew quotes I cut are still in the Drops section. Drew Drops that I cut:
 * "Are you a Mormon?"
 * "You're a lesbian."
 * "You're a heroin addict."

Please add any more that are cut below. --Howdybob 21:27, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Quotes Section
While this might not come as a popular statement, I think it's time we look into cutting the quotes section. It's a bit big and bloated, and normally Wikipedia frowns on huge quotes sections. Better that we trim some of it now, maybe moving some to Wikiquotes, as opposed to waiting for a random editor to come along and cut it. SGreenwell 20:37, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, though I'd like to see more than one legitimate Dr. Drew quote. All but the sign-off are Out-of-Context Drew Drops. Also, I'm not sure the "Peyote button" quotes are right. I think it was "When I was 19 I ate six boiled peyote buttons and stayed up all night but felt no effect." I may cut some now. --Howdybob 20:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I fixed the peyote quote; I'm not sure it's exactly right but I know it's closer than it was. --Howdybob 21:27, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I think if any more quotes are added they need to be a couple sentences long rather than just Drew Drops or catchphrases. --Liface 21:28, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Good job so far, but I also think we should look into cutting quotes that appear elsewhere in the article. For example, Adam's line about dropping trou appears in his quotes section, and also the section on the Lightning Round.  I'd go through it now, but I'm about to hit the hay.  I'll try to clean it up tomorrow, if I have some free time.  SGreenwell 09:16, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone should mention that most of the quotes are in fact out of context drew drops, and they do not represent Dr. Drews actual character. Im going to go over a few episodes see if I notice any recurring phrases... RickO5 02:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Better yet, how about we replace those quotes with actual GOOD longer ones, like from the Loveline Quote Archive or something. --Liface 02:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the idea behind the quote section is to show something that is/was often said by a person. Most longer quotes have only been said once, and you might have a hard time deciphering what type of person someone is from a one time quote. Although the drew drops are out of context, they fit the bill better, because they are repeated often. The best situtation though would be something legit drew says often.
 * The more I look at them, I just don't like the idea of a quotes section at all. It doesn't really add anything to the article as everyone who listens to Loveline is familiar with them, and anyone who happens upon the page seeking knowledge won't understand. Plus, what other featured articles have a Quotes section? Let's move the entire quotes section to Wiktionary under Loveline. --Liface 05:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Surely you meant moving them to Loveline? Anyway, I agree, it's a better idea than listing them all here. — Down10 TACO 07:03, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Whoops, yeah that's what I meant. --Liface 19:28, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, in the spirit of Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, we'll be adding a wiktiquote link, so even if the quotes are a benefit to the reader, they're only a click away. Anyway, all the above conversation is a few weeks old and looks like agreement to me, it seems like all that remains is for someone to actually move it. Vicarious 05:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Loveline Archive Removal
I'm guessing that the link to the Loveline Archive is being removed because of its legality. It does provide links to full Loveline shows, which may or may not be legal, depending on your point of view. I know that Drew and Adam have said that they don't care that the show is available on the Internet, but Westwood One has taken steps against sites hosting shows before. Does that site have information not covered by other sites outside of downloads? Of course, if there's another reason for the removal, it would be nice for the anonymous user to talk about it. SGreenwell 05:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's pretty relevant and helpful to anyone visiting the page. It's definitely the most comprehensive archive out there. Not too sure on the legality, but does anyone really care if past episodes of a radio show are put on a website? It's not like it's stopping anyone from buying anything, in my view. Unless the anonymous editor has something to say, we should leave it in. --Liface 05:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, normally I would say that it would be illegal (stupidly illegal but illegal non the less) but if you go to the official website, they have loveline episodes available for free download []. RickO5 02:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

General Caller Betting
Am I the only one who thinks that although they do this on the show, it's completely bogus. I have nothing to back this up, but I was assume that Adam and Drew would have information about the call beforehand from the screener. So they don't really have the skills, they are just being funny.


 * I don't really think there's a reason to doubt them. I can do it too at times; if someone is calling into the show, you can safely assume that they come from a certain background with certain issues.  I consider it similar to "Asian or Jew?" - Carolla is almost never wrong at it, and I doubt he knows THAT information from the call screeners or computer.  Also, please sign your comments with four tildes. SGreenwell 02:50, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

They've been tricked as well by callers, lending credibility to their overall high rate of accuracy.203.131.167.26 09:38, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Guest Hosts
I'm wondering if we should move David Allan Grier to a new sub category of frequent guests. He has been on a lot, but at the same time so has Danny Bonaduce, Steve-O, Joe Rogan, etc. Carson Daly even was the guest host for a week, but I don't think he would fit in this same category? Any big opposition to this or can someone find a source where DAG is referred to as the "Third Host?"--Twintone 22:38, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Adam Carolla
I understand that he was a major part of the show for quite some time, but I swear this article talks more about stuff related to him than anything else. Just something to watch. JPG-GR 05:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * To add to CJ's comments, Adam was the first co-host when the show went national. As a result, he and Drew are the most identifiable duo in regards to the show's listeners.  I live in Rhode Island, so I've never even heard Carolla's predecessors, except for a few crappy recordings that still exist of Rachtman and Poorman.  SGreenwell 23:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I think the reason for that is because he is what made the show popular/was on the longest. I think it's fine until someone makes their own history on the show. CJMylentz 20:09, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Frankly Adam is all I ever hear anybody talk about in reference to the show. Adam and Dr. Drew had good chemistry, but when Drew hosted along with a guest host (Adam absent), the show was too educational and too boring. The comedy angle was pure gold.203.131.167.26 09:39, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * But - Adam's no longer hosting the show. There's a lot in the article that's not just about Loveline, but about the "Adam & Dr. Drew" show.  That's no longer current.  Does anyone have any suggestions for separating the Adam stuff from current stuff?  Like a Loveline with Dr. Drew and Adam site or a Loveline (With Adam Carolla) site or something liek that?--Torourkeus 18:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Adam made the show. It got syndicatelly nationally while he was co-host.  He's important to the history of the show. -- Craigtalbert 20:19, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Completely understood, which is why I think its important that Adam's stuff is still on Wikipedia somewhere. But Adam's 'bits' are no longer a part of the show.  Plus, lots of the article still refers to Adam in the present tense - no longer true.  There's an entire section of Adam's pet-peves, which either belong in a new loveline article based on those years or in Adam Carola's article itself.  Many of the in-jokes are specific to Adam, the controversey (while important to the shows history) also takes place during the Adam years.  The new and current host, Stryker, has his own quirks and pet-peves and although more relevant to the current show it doesn't feel like it fits with all the Adam stuff.  I really don't want to just throw out all that information but the show pretty much has a new format now and lots of this article don't apply anymore.--Torourkeus 15:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I tried making one. See Loveline (With Adam Carolla).  Almost (but not all) the stuff in this newly created article can be removed from the current Loveline article with a link to the Adam Carolla version.  This would dramatically reduce the size of the article and allow for it to be updated with new Stryker lingo, motifs, etc. --Torourkeus 15:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that the tense should be changed, and re-written so that it's more up-to-date. But for the same reason there's very little about Poorman or Riki Rachtman there's no reason to force information about Stryker in the the article. As of yet, he's just not that consequential. Now, that being said, I think we could probably make a second article for "Loveline bits" or something similar and most of the stuff from Adam's Pet Peeves and Games, In-Jokes, and other Miscellany could probably go in there. That would get a lot of the fan cruft out of the main article. -- Craigtalbert 18:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The show's popularity
Hi, I'm putting this here because there's been four or five edits about how the show is losing popularity, affliates, etc. since Carolla left. While I don't doubt the validity of this, you really *need* a citation for such a claim. Otherwise, it is a transparent dig against Stryker and biased. SGreenwell 16:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Cranberry Sauce
Adam started giving his cranberry sauce recipe out earlier than November 24, 2004, because I heard it several times in 2003 when I was working nights. Static Universe talk 18:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I agree. I'm listening to some 2002 shows right now, and callers are talking as if he's given out the recipe on air before then.  So I'm guessing he did it at 2001 at the absolute latest. SGreenwell

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When was Stryker Official?
I messaged Stryker on myspace to find the exact date of his new co-host crown. CJMylentz 01:12, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I didn't put that it was official, just simply that he's been the co-host since a certain date. I don't think they've "officially" given him the job on air, probably for fear of a fan revolt or something.  Regardless, the fact that he hasn't missed a show (excluding "best of"s) for about two months seems pretty significant to me.  He might not be the permanent co-host, but given the length of time, a mention seems appropriate. SGreenwell 06:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The first full week he was on (the beginning of June), the guest kept congratulating him and complimenting the new "format" of the show.--Twintone 18:04, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I heard about that as well, but I'm not sure if that constitutes an "official" announcement that he's gotten the job. SGreenwell 20:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is such a thing as official with loveline, even Adam was a gradual thing, I doubt they'll ever declare anything explicitly, until it's already retrospectively obvious anyway. Vicarious 20:15, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


 * According to replies on DAG's blog it was official "yesterday" on September 28th. I just downloaded the shows around that date and I'll see if I can find it.  Since I'm not sure that I'll be able to, I'm mentioning it here.

Stryker literally announced on this recent June 21(or maybe 20?), 2007 show that he officially started on June 6, 2006, and specifically denied that he started in July. He says it right towards the beginning, and there are recordings on www.lovelineshow.com. I won't edit until someone else corroborates this though.Legitimus 18:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * According to a list of shows from a private Loveline site I visit, Stryker hosted a week of shows from June 6 to June 15. He then disappeared until July 16, at which point he seems to take over the hosting duties. I find it odd that he was "officially" made host June 6, then given essentially a one-month vacation. Like a lot of what he says, I think this might be more bombast than substance, and I think we should keep July 16 as the date. SGreenwell 02:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Fan sharing
This doesn't strike me as particularly notable or unique.


 * In addition, some fans digitally record and share episodes.

I've removed it. Feel free to re-add with a reason for its presence. =David ( talk )( contribs ) 00:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Re Pennywise
Didn't Fletcher also puke there? I remember having heard the audio file from the band's website a few years ago. --Blazar 14:56, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I know what you are talking about, but I think that was a different time. If I remember correctly, I think Drew said something to the tune of "12 years ago", which would make it around 1994/1995.  I think it was before Adam too but I could be wrong.  They play a recording of that incident a lot.  I'll recap here for those who may not know:  It's right at the end of the show, and a caller is talking.  You hear a strange sound in the background as Fletcher, having consumed copious amounts of pizza and tequila during the show, sudden projectile-vomits on the console.  He becomes amused at everyone's revulsion and begins chasing Dr. Drew around the studio puking on him intentionally while another band mate starts saying over the mic "Uh, loveline is over, it's...I'm sorry, we have large ugly man in our guitar band, and ..."  Producer Anne shrieks not to barf on her and runs out.  Fletcher corners Drew, who has climbed on top of a cabinet, and starts putting his finger down his throat so that he can keep puking on him.  Drew tries vainly to punch him in the face in order to get him away, but it does nothing to Fletcher.  Then it cuts off or something. I guess this is not a controversy per se, just a funny story.  Legitimus 00:06, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

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Secret Line?
I was listening to loveline one night and they took a call and they were saying that he call in on the secret line. Just curious if anyone knows what that is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.213.233.162 (talk) 23:20, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Radio stations have a hot line that is separate from the regular line that dumps callers into a queue. They give it to the guests that are scheduled to call in. 130.13.111.124 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 23:44, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

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New Reference?
Bones Season 6, Ep 2 8:00 minutes in. "Your here as a shrink Dr. Sweets. NOT as a guest on Loveline."

Not sure how to place that into the section if someone else would like to do so

129.63.53.152 (talk) 19:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)rezza9

New Layout
Does everybody like the new layout I did? Just curious


 * Love it. Although the "On-Screen and Print" section should probably come AFTER the "controversies" section. 128.125.65.164 (talk) 00:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Guest Appearances
Why shouldn't we include the two stars guest appearances on other shows? CJMylentz (talk) 08:53, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Amber Rose
I've stumbled across this article from last month which says Amber Rose is the new host of Loveline, which is now in podcast form. The article makes it seem that this is a continuation of the radio Loveline, so shouldn't this be reflected here?LM2000 (talk) 01:20, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and made these changes.LM2000 (talk) 21:02, 13 October 2016 (UTC)