Talk:Lovesick Blues

Horton Vaughn??
The CD for the Alex Chilton live album credits the song to "Horton Vaughn." Presumably meaning songwriter Vaughn Horton, aka George Vaughn Horton. I see there was already some discussion about confusion or controversy re the proper songwriting credit. Anyone have a source that explains why the song would be credited to "Horton Vaughn"? Lafong (talk) 20:20, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

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Walmart Yodeling Kid
I personally believe it should be added that the streams for the Hank Williams version of this song in 2018 increased by 2452% due to a popular meme including it, while referencing the meme itself (something like a usage in popular culture or commericial performance subsection under the Hank Williams version?). Thoughts? -- Aleccat  06:17, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks Aleccat. This is all good to know and I'll work on it ASAP unless someone else gets to it first, or perhaps you want to add it?  I'm largely responsible for our Yodeling article and I've watched the article views spike to around 5,000 a day due to this kid.  He's been added to the yodeling article but I'll use some of this info to add more.  Gandydancer (talk) 18:42, 11 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Using Rolling Stone I added some info to the Yodeling article. I'm going to open up a new header here and add basically what I put at the Yodeling article (including the Wikipedia views info - skating on thin ice, I know...), for a start.  I certainly would appreciate any feedback...am I over-reacting to this event?, for example.  BTW, even the Miller article views spiked, and in my experience clickable names/events don't as a rule get clicked... Thoughts?  Gandydancer (talk) 20:09, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Mason ramsey
Mason has just released a debut solo song - he now has over 800 thousand Spotify listeners. I think he is worthy of his own wiki page - perhaps we should merge the info about him in this page with a new page about him. Greenleader(2) (talk) 18:44, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Have created a draft article for mason - if accepted the redirect needs to be cancelled Greenleader(2) (talk) 19:59, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree. I believe he is notable enough for his wiki article. –Wefk423 (talk) 07:52, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Mills retained the rest of rights to the song as he had also purchased Friend's rights during the Great Depression.
According to author Colin Escott, it was agreed that Mills and Acuff-Rose would share the publishing of Williams' recording. Mills later gained the rest of the rights to the song when he purchased Friend's rights effective June 22, 1951.

but I found this quote

https://www.songfacts.com/facts/hank-williams/lovesick-blues The young singer could only record songs published by Acuff-Rose, so Williams told Fred Rose that he had purchased the rights to "Lovesick Blues" from his drinking companion Rex Griffin. However they weren't his to sell and Acuff-Rose had to deal with a very cross co-writer Cliff Friend who did own the rights. "Fred Rose published it, but I had the copyright," Friend recalled. "When Williams' record hit the market, I flew to Nashville and took all the money, since I was also the publisher."

I added some copyright info which is from US Copyright office, but don't know about the rest Tillywilly17 (talk) 23:02, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

removed According to author Colin Escott, it was agreed that Mills and Acuff-Rose would share the publishing of Williams' recording, and Mills retained the rest of rights to the song as he had also purchased Friend's rights during the Great Depression.

fyi

PROOF of Acuff-Rose publication and the settlement Nov 1949-copyrights

Lovesick "blues; by Hank Williams. © Acuff- Rose Publications, Nashville; 21Mar49; EP35095. For voice and piano, with guitar diagrams and chord symbols.

Lovesick blues; words and music by Irving Mills and Cliff Friend, arr. by Hank Williams. © Mills Music, inc., New York; 1Nov49; on changed lyrics & music; EP41741.

ANSWER 1951

Time-Period: 1928-1977 Titles Drawer Label: LOVE'S(V)-LUACard Number: .0138 .0139

1949-41741 arr hwilliams June 22, 1951 cliff friend to Mills Music, inc

1949-R45865 June 22, 1951 cliff friend to Mills Music, inc

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Unsourced tale

Hank’s publishing company Acuff-Rose had little reason to want to push “Lovesick Blues” either. Even though he claimed he had purchased all rights, Hank hadn’t actually written it. He didn’t really know who had. If Acuff-Rose was going to publish this number, they needed more proof. Legally, they would have felt much better dropping “Lovesick Blues” in favor of one of Hank’s own compositions. After all, Acuff- Rose had signed Williams because of his songwriting abilities, and they understandably wanted to publish songs written specifically by him. But Hank did manage to convince them that he owned the rights to “Lovesick Blues,” so Acuff-Rose gave the go-ahead and filed on the song. It was only after “Lovesick Blues” was released and hit the playlists that they discovered the song’s rights were actually owned by a publisher called Mills Music!

The words had been written by Cliff Friend, a vaudeville pianist from Cincinnati. Friend had found inspiration for the song as a flyer stationed at Wright Field during World War One. He watched as lovesick fly-boys hovered over every phrase of every letter received from their sweethearts. The lyrics, along with Friend’s melody, were tweaked by a Russian-born Jewish band leader named Irving Mills. Mills would later write such classic big band songs as “It Don’t Mean A Thing (If It Ain’t Got That Swing).” The first commercially released recording on “Lovesick Blues” was done by Elsie Clark in 1922. Ukulele Ike also cut it about the same time. Jazz singer Emmett Miller tried the number three years later with the same results as Clark---absolutely no chart action and few sales. During the Depression a few others attempted to score with “Lovesick Blues,” but none of the records took off.

In 1939, Rex Griffin tried a different approach with his version of “Lovesick Blues.” It was Griffin’s country yodeling style that helped the song make its final transition from a bluesy Broadway number to a country and western piece. Yet, it would be another decade before the innovativeness of this change would be fully realized. Like the earlier releases, the Griffin recording failed in every possible way but one---local bands around the South began to play it. One of these local bands had even convinced Hank Williams that the tune was an original. Hank then “purchased” all rights to “Lovesick Blues” for $100. A few weeks after releasing his own recording of it, he realized he had been conned.

My "Lovesick Blues" copyright record 1921-1951
Here is a timeline of the copyright records. This where we got all our dates. Of interest are the following:

Possible reason for changing title to "Lovesick Blues"

Aug 1, 1949 For unknown reason, Mills Music files this assignment from 1921

I will be adding to our article

fyi I have more information 1952-present

Possible reason for changing title to Lovesick Blues

I've got those love-sick blues; words

and music by C. Duffir [of U. S.]

New York, Frank Harding's music

house. [189

© Nov. 2, 1921; 2 c. Jan. 3, 1922;

E 525856 ; Clara Duffir, New Orleans.

'ORIGINAL COPYRIGHT

Lovesick blues ; words by Irving

Mills, music by Cliff Friend [of

U. S.] (Cover title:— I've got the

love-sick blues) [9089

© Apr. 3, 1922 ; 2 c. Apr. 5, 1922 ;

E 533105; Jack Mills, inc., New York.

Hank Williams/Acuff-Rose publication March 1949

Lovesick "blues; by Hank Williams. © Acuff-

Rose Publications, Nashville; 21Mar49;

EP35095. For voice and piano, with

guitar diagrams and chord symbols.

Renewal of ORIGINAL COPYRIGHT April 1949

LOVESICK BLUES; w Irving Mills, m.

Cliff Friend (A of m)

© 3Apr22, E533105- R45865, 3Apr49,

U.S. Copyright Office Virtual Card Catalog Assignments 1928-1977

Acuff-Rose assigns March 1949 Hank Williams/Acuff-Rose publication to Mills Music, Inc.

Assignments - Titles

Time-Period: 1928-1977 TitlesCard Content: There is no OCR data for this Card.

Drawer Label: LOVE'S(V)-LUACard Number: .0141

recorded July 29, 1949

Acuff-Rose to Mills Music, inc

Aug 1, 1949 For unknown reason, Mills Music files this assignment from 1921

Assignments - Titles Time-Period: 1928-1977 TitlesCard Content: There is no OCR data for this Card. Drawer Label: LOVE'S(V)-LUACard Number: .0141

recorded Aug 1 1949

Oct 17 1921 irving mills, cliff friend,

ray miller to jack mills, inc.

Revised COPYRIGHT pub Nov 1949

Lovesick blues; words and music by

Irving Mills and Cliff Friend, arr. by

Hank Williams. © Mills Music, inc.,

New York; 1Nov49; on changed lyrics &

music; EP41741.

U.S. Copyright Office Virtual Card Catalog Assignments 1928-1977 Time-Period: 1928-1977 Titles Drawer Label: LOVE'S(V)-LUACard Number: .0138 .0139

Revised COPYRIGHT pub Nov 1949 arr hwilliams EP41741

executed April 8

Registered June 22, 1951

Cliff Friend assigns his interest

to

Mills Music, inc

ORIGINAL COPYRIGHT and Renewal 1922 & 1949 E533105 & R45865

executed April 8

Registered June 22, 1951

Cliff Friend assigns his interest

to

Mills Music, inc

Tillywilly17 (talk) 20:48, 23 October 2021 (UTC)