Talk:Lower Austria

Protectorate of Bohemia/Moravia
How much of the modern Czech republic (in km2 and mi2) was annexed to Lower Austria? --JamesR1701E (talk) 13:06, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Official names
The official name of the Bundesland is (in German): Niederösterreich. Since this is the English language Wikipedia we are talking about the translation "Lower Austria" is needed; that goes without saying. There is, however, no room for "Nyada-Østarëich" and other such nonsense, certainly not cluttering up the main article. This is neither a spoken nor written language that I recognize. The only official language spoken in Lower Austria is German. Local pronunciation issues notwithstanding, there is no need for anything else.

I have reverted your edit for now. Please do not redo unless discussing it first. Thanks. --IGreil (talk) 08:38, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The official name is indeed Niederösterreich, and it is presented as the official name and its translation into English. However, per WP:Naming conventions (geographic names),


 * "2. The lead: The title can be followed in the first line by a list of alternative names in parentheses, eg: Gulf of Finland ( Estonian: Soome laht; Finnish: Suomenlahti; Russian: Финский залив, Finskiy zaliv; Swedish: Finska viken) is a large bay in the easternmost arm of the Baltic Sea..."


 * "Relevant foreign language names (one used by at least 10% of sources in the English language or is used by a group of people which used to inhabit this geographical place) are permitted and should be listed in alphabetic order of their respective languages, i.e., (Finnish: Suomenlahti; Russian: Финский залив, Finskiy zaliv; Swedish: Finska viken; Estonian: Soome laht). or (ar: name1, be: name2, cs: name3). As an exception to alphabetical order, the local official name should be listed before other alternate names if it differs from a widely accepted English name."


 * My reinsertion of the Austro-Bavarian name into the lead (which, you'll note, is the only place I reinserted it) follows exactly these principles. The local official name is listed first (Standard German), followed by names in relevant foreign languages. Austro-Bavarian is certainly relevant, since it is a minority language spoken throughout Austria, including Lower Austria. This is not an issue of "local pronunciation", which sounds like you are demoting Austro-Bavarian to just pronunciation differences, rather than an actual language as documented by linguists (it's listed on the Ethnologue, for example). Nor does a language's official status (a political designation) have any bearing on whether that language's name is included in the lead. The deciding factor for the inclusion of a foreign name is the one listed in the above guidelines: "one used by at least 10% of sources in the English language or is used by a group of people which used to inhabit this geographical place." Speakers of Austro-Bavarian inhabit this geographical place, so the inclusion of their name in the lead is thoroughly justified. -Krasnoludek (talk) 09:05, 6 May 2011 (UTC)


 * You make it sound as though "Austro-Bavarian" is a relevant foreign language. It is not, above all, a written language. It is a regiolect, a local variety, if you will, but it has no place in an encyclopedia (apart, perhaps, from an entry of its own). "Nyada-Østarëich" is not a legitimate alternative spelling or version. Nowhere that I am aware of is Lower Austria referred to as such in writing. Please provide a reliable source that actually uses that spelling. "Austro-Bavarian", if it is a language (no need to go into that here) certainly is not a written one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IGreil (talk • contribs) 09:43, 6 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Since I noticed you have removed the alternate language names on several Austria-related pages, I have moved this discussion to the existing talk page on Talk:Austria, since that is the most prominent location to discuss this issue. -Krasnoludek (talk) 09:44, 6 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Austro-Bavarian is not a legitimate "alternate language", but we can certainly discuss this on Talk:Austria as well. IGreil (talk) 10:14, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

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