Talk:Lowrider/Archive 1

Re-organization
This article could definitely be organized and referenced better, someone had "the best paint is sometimes known as candy" in the description... Candy paint is a particular type of color-shifting gloss, these are things that could be clarified a bit more, as I feel they are integral to understanding lowrider culture. We should also remember the strong ties between lowriding and gang-banging, the two of which developed somewhat in tandem, at least during the 70's, 80's, and 90's.

How about, general description, introduction to the "original" stock lowriders of the 1950's, the first customization of those cars, and eventually a timeline of lowriders in popular culture leading up to the present, where they are firmly embedded in hip-hop and Latin culture? Derryl

History of Lowriders
lowriders have been first traked in a little town in northern New Mexico called "ESPINOLA". Espinola is the lowrider capital of the world dated back to the early 50's. Lowriders have been around since the 30'S when panchucos ran the southwest. Pachucos "originated in El Paso TX" along with lowriders did not originate in east los angeles, however with the major mexican-american "Chicanos" population in east L.A made the two popular. Overtime the lowrider scene spread across all nationalities, america and even the world!

They starded around the 30s. They starded with bombs and the Pachucos (which wore Zuit Suits). People would put heavy sand bags in the trunk so it can be lower in the back. But then a Mexican (forgot name) came up with Hydrualics, by using air plane parts(air crafts?) Then it started to get popular and more people changed it. Now you see people Hoping their car more than 60 inches. But back in the day, you would be famous if u can jump higher than a bear bottel. Then LRM(Lowrider Magazine) Came out and more people learned about Lowriders.(wrote by Manny2626) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.32.28.215 (talk) 02:09, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Lowriders are also apart of the Chicano movement. The people who firs started to cruise in their lowriders were Pachucos. These activist continued to make the movement happen by going against the norms of driving a hotrod and created the lowrider. They make these cars go "low and slow" to make a statement. This really need to be placed in the background of the Lowrider and the lowrider movement. -cncruz — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cncruz (talk • contribs) 18:43, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

"Bombs"
I think this article needs more information regarding lowrider "bombs." I'll research it a bit then post it on the article.

-Ken

Car clubs
This article is starting to get a long list of lowrider car clubs attached. The list seems to be utterly lacking references or any claim of notability for any of these clubs. I'm minded to remove them and only have clubs with referenced notability listed here; we can link to an external site for a complete club listing, if there is such. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 00:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

There are a bunch of car clubs...tons! c.c. means Car Club

ill name clubs that come to mind right now.....
 * Rollerz Only c.c.
 * LifeStyle c.c.
 * Indaviduals c.c.
 * Pachucos c.c.
 * Oldies c.c.
 * Impalas c.c.
 * Solitos c.c.
 * StreetsStyle c.c.
 * GoodTimes c.c.
 * Majestix c.c.
 * Imperials c.c.(one of the oldes club around)
 * New Images c.c.
 * Low 4 Life c.c.
 * Stylistics c.c.
 * Loyalty c.c.
 * TrueStyle c.c.
 * USE c.c.
 * Good Times c.c.
 * Low Lyfe c.c.
 * Lay M Low c.c.
 * Southside c.c.
 * Desert Dreams c.c.
 * Traffic c.c.
 * Homiez Only c.c.
 * Blvd Kings c.c.
 * Impressive c.c.
 * Delegation c.c.
 * Bounded c.c.
 * Next Level c.c.
 * WestSide c.c.
 * Dukes c.c.(another old club)
 * Unity c.c.
 * Elite c.c.
 * Old Memories cc "OG club"
 * Vejitos cc "OG club"
 * Dukes cc "OG club"
 * Slowlane Familia cc
 * Estilo cc
 * La Familia
 * Family Loyalty Car club Fresno Ca — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.182.113.12 (talk) 01:53, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

are huge names in the lowrider community —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.50.151.28 (talk) 17:26, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

-And way more! There are some clubs that were in the 40s-60s and arnt around anymore.
 * Imperials c.c. is one of the oldest. And they are still around.

Well Car Clubs is a Group of People who have the same Hobby, Lowriding that is. They help support the Lowrider Community and Change the Negative View. Most Car Clubs Treat Eachother like Family. Help eachother on their rides. But there are Rules in Clubs. Such as no Violence, No Gang Related, Etc.. The Leader is the President and then theres a Vice President. And there are certain Ranks your Lowrider must be in, to Join a Certain Club. Usually a club had Dues which help the club to throw a Picnic or Car Show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.32.29.183 (talk) 02:58, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Sixty-Four?
Should the the 1963-64 Chevy Impalas be mentioned? From what I've seen, it's the most prevalent car used for lowriding. 70.109.72.185 00:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

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What's the good thing about lowriders?
I don't know much about cars, but the article only lists disadvantages to lowriders (more affected by road imperfections, damage to internal parts, etc.). Is there something good about them? Or is it just some collector's thing? Are they more comfortable? Do they look better in motion because of being lowriders? 164.77.106.8 23:25, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't have phrased it that way, but my question is basically the same. Surely there has to be a reason for lowering the body like that. Sweetfreek (talk) 07:41, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering the same thing. Is it purely for the engineering challenge? KenFehling (talk) 16:06, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * My personal understanding is that it is an aesthetic. I am not connected, but there appears to be a niche market of people that like this sort of thing. It is a novelty, in otherwords, like giant rims on a car not designed for them. Ultimately, as with most aftermarket modifications to a car, it is not great for it pragmatically. Essentially, a car is engineered to work one way; make it do something else and its not how it is designed to work. My two cents. Vox Rationis (Talk &#124; contribs) 21:27, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

This has got to be the most rediculous thing i have ever read... lowering the car is to make it look better by getting rid of the big ugly gap between the rooad and the body of the car. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.227.248.45 (talk) 19:52, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Contradiction
The first paragraph says that " It was a part of the zoot-suit fashion that bloomed heavily through Los Angeles during the 1930s.", but it also says, "Lowriders are commonly classic cars from the 1950s (when lowriding began)." These cannot both be true. MovingTree (talk) 10:11, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

The entire article is a mess. I don't know where to start cleaning. Out of the blue it jumps to White Americans and African Americans and there is no semblance of order anywhere. Statements are out of context and used in the vernacular of street talk in reference to building the cars. A lot of this is simply interesting in discovery and I helped a guy next door build one of these about the time hydraulic suspension came into play. I'll contribute, but I can't control it.Blondesareeasy (talk) 09:44, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Removed entire History section
The history of lowriding started in the late '40s due predominantly to the Mexican American culture. When heating or cutting the coils of a vehicle's suspension, it could easily be lowered to the desired height. These rides where sometimes called Ranflas. They sported 13” DIA. wheels with large white walls.
 * Entire section copied here

Mexican Americans are the largest minority group in Southern California up until now. During this era, the true roots of today's Lowriding started. Lowriding took on a whole new meaning through the vast re-engineering of Moms hand me down cars. With less money than their White counterparts, Mexican Americans would put sand bags or rocks in to their trunks to lower the rear only in comparison to White Americans who were building hot rods.

Early use of Hydraulics incorporated air craft pumps that were once used for airplane landing gear. To power these pumps, batteries began to come up missing everywhere. These early trunks featured eyebolts with 2x4s and stretch bands to keep batteries from sliding everywhere and causing fires. The second stage came from the use of old bed frame angle iron to lock-in the batteries in a neater fashion. Early hydraulics moved really slowly and featured pull string dumps. Early paint jobs featured heavy metal flake and striping. Some of the early accessories was rabbit ear antennas, organ pipe 6x9 speaker covers, swan hood ornaments, drag pipes, and curb finders. During the blacksploitation era, pimps and players (a.k.a. playboys) also adopted this new style but did not use hydraulics.

As the late '70s/'80s approached, hydraulics took on a whole new meaning. African Americans in comparison to Hispanic Lowriders were really switch happy and enjoyed the hopping scenes. To hop the height of a beer can was phenomenal in those days. This could not have happened without the introduction of the truck-gates (pumps). Slightly altered, they delivered a faster and stronger punch with more PSI. With this break-through, frames began to take on heavy damage. For the less automotively inclined, some of these early guys thought the entire car was ruined and sold it. Not until the '90s did lowriders begin welding reinforcement to their frames to lengthen the life of the frames. Soon after entire frames were removed and customized with full reinforcement and paint/designs.


 * Problems
 * 1) Zero sources. Sometimes that merits tagging with "this needs more sources" or citation needed tags, but due to the other problems I don't think there was anything salvagable
 * 2) Most importantly (other than and in combination with the total lack of sources): A great deal of the section comprises in racial generalizations a la "Mexicans like low riders, white people like hot rods, African Americans did it this way instead..." If certain trends were popular among a particular culture, it's not appropriate to say "Mexicans did x" and as anything racial is inherently controversial, it all needs sources.
 * 3) Most of what's not racial is overly technical (or insufficiently technical, depending on how you look at it).
 * 4) Unencyclopedic tone, problematic grammar. I don't doubt whoever wrote this knows a lot about lowrider culture but this reads like -- and almost certainly is -- first hand anecdote (i.e. original research)

Is this controversial? --&mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  |  23:19, 3 February 2014 (UTC)