Talk:Loyset Compère

Composer project review
I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This article is seemingly B-class, as it resembles other Renaissance composer biographies. However, Compère has had several biographical and musicological works written about him, that are not referenced here. This means it is difficult to assess completeness, especially around the assertions of missing knowledge. My full review are on the comments page; questions and comments can be left here or on my talk page. I give it a B, but only very reluctantly.  Magic ♪piano 16:35, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It also bears mentioning that someone with enough French should be cribbing from Loyset Compère to add to this article.  Magic ♪piano 16:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually they translated it from me. See for example the first sentence of "works" -- "À la différence de ses contemporains, Compère semble avoir écrit peu de messes — ou tout au moins, peu nous sont parvenues. De tempérament, il apparaît plutôt comme un miniaturiste, ses compositions les plus populaires et les plus nombreuses relèvent des plus courtes formes de son temps : essentiellement chansons et motets" which is the same as it currently stands in English.  Notice also their sources section.  Then someone expanded it a bit (especially the life section, and by adding a paragraph and the musical example to works).  I think I will incorporate that into the English article.  Since this was one of my earlier composer articles back in summer 2004, I wasn't being as thorough in pillaging sources (I used only Reese and the 1980 Grove, which I have in hard copy).  I wouldn't mind expanding this article based on some more current publications (seriously doubt anyone else will get to it -- as far as I can tell no one else at Wikipedia even watchlists this stuff). Antandrus  (talk) 17:13, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I wasn't sure which came first, the cart or the horse, but the French article (which I only partly picked through in my fr-1 French) clearly seemed to cover more, so I thought I'd mention it.  Magic ♪piano 17:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

''D'après Jean Molinet (1435-1507), qui connaissait bien Compère, le compositeur était issu d'une famille de Saint-Omer. Un document milanais daté de 1476 le présente comme un ecclésiastique venant d'Arras. Pourtant, une ordonnance de Charles VIII d'avril 1494 confère à Compère la nationalité française et précise expressément qu'il est originaire du Hainaut. On n'a pu éclaircir ces contradictions.'' This is unreferenced, but if true we could add it in to the current article here. Eusebeus (talk) 22:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Lazy buggers should note that the article is largely a translation. Antandrus, what do you make of this:


 * Wow. That appears to be a translation of this, from Joshua Rifkin's article in the online New Grove:  "According to the poet Jean Molinet, who evidently knew him well, Compère belonged to a family from St Omer, in the county of Artois; a Milanese document of 1476, moreover, describes him as a cleric of Arras, also in Artois. Nevertheless, a decree written by Charles VIII of France in April 1494, granting Compère French nationality so that he could safeguard benefices acquired during royal service, explicitly calls him a native of Hainaut."  Note that I did not use the online, recent New Grove to write the article in summer 2004 -- I only used my 1980 set.  Clearly I need to update the article with the more current research.  That's the first suggestion I have ever heard of Compère maybe having some origin other than French.  Too bad it's not a famous 19th century composer:  we could have a huge entertaining nationalist edit-war on our hands!  Cheers, Antandrus  (talk) 23:03, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, if he's from Artois, he's "French", although under Burgundian-Valois rule. If Hainault, he's clearly a Walloon (Flamand wallone). I searched through my copy of Molinet and couldn't find him mentioned, but I'll take Grove as authoritative.... I guess .... hmmm... Does Rifkin have a cite for his Molinet claim? I'll go find it if so. (Only b/c I am too lazy to go look up Grove myself and you seem to have it under the fingers...). Eusebeus (talk) 23:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Assessment comment
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