Talk:Luís de Camões

Untitled
Shouldn't this page be renamed? Either we use the native form (Luís de Camões) or the english transliteration (Luis de Camoes). Zubras 01:14, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * I think we should use the one that is most used in English.-Pedro 12:00, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

"considered by some" should be banned. Didn't Camoes' example set the standard for literary Portuguese? That's worth saying if true. Wetman 12:12, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

There should be more factual information in here, instead of general statements as that he fell in love with a lady of the court and was exiled on that account. Also, I beleive it is now undisputed that he has never been in Macau

POV
I think the article has anti-Portuguese bias, he died in poverty because of the life that he had, he wasted all the money he recived from the king in CRAP and women. This article needs a review and investigation. -Pedro 21:13, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm sure he didn't though that was a waste; dying with money unspent, now that would have been a waste! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.169.33.11 (talk) 05:50, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Correction
Camões's accurate birth date is unknown. Usually it is referred as 1524?

Revision
Which genius did the last revision? I was inclined to use foul language here. This article needs expansion, not cuts. A note on the political correcteness of the cuts in the Lyric Poetry section: Camões is as definitive and current to the language as Shakespeare is to English. There is absolutely no need in being afraid to speak of his primacy; it's actually informative to do so. There is obviously a not very well-informed outsider hand at work here, there are works in Spanish listed, but not one in Portuguese.

Cites please. Avoid (appearance of) personal opinion or original research.
In the section "Lyric Poetry" this paragraph appears to contain personal opinions or original research.

His ten (or more, depending on the source&mdash;the authority on the matter, however, has been Jorge de Sena) Canções (Songs) are a very impressive psychological and emotional dissection through poetic rhetoric, the complete dramatization of the inner self and one's own consciousness&mdash;qualities most often thought of as pertaining originarily to Shakespeare (Bloom) or Donne (Eliot)&mdash;making Camões a kind of precursor of that line of poetry which would culminate in William Wordsworth, even more so than, say, Petrarch or Auzias March. There are still many others of his lyric works that could be brought to the table; Camões was, despite later Parnassian attacks, extremely well-versed in the language and skilled with an impressive array of poetic forms.

These statements need good cites. Attribution. -- Writtenonsand 12:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

About his birth
my teacher told me, that using files from his university, people calculated that his birth was around 1524/1525

this if he never was held back in school

Camoes borned in Alenquer???
Frequently is refered that Camoes was borned in Alequer. This is based in a Poem that was written by him: http://www.sonetos.com.br/sonetos.php?n=415 But, by reading carefully this poem, we see that indeed this poem was written by Camoes but in a way that it is not him who is saying, but someone that died with less than 25 years old. So the poem is being miss understood. This problem is being presented by Prof. Jose Hermano Saraiva in his program "A Alma e a Gente" RTPI http://www.rtp.pt/rtpi/images/site/emissao/ Joao Coutinho 1Mar2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.178.143.160 (talk) 22:14, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Idomatic English
This entire article appears to be a mixture of auto-translate from an Iberian language and text written by a non-native English-speaker. For one example, to a native speaker of English the statement "His recollection of poetry ... was lost" means "He found himself unable to remember poetry," which is not at all what is meant. The use of "on" versus "in" is another example.

This article would benefit from a content-neutral rework by a native English speaker. 72.94.97.55 (talk) 01:29, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

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Date of death
We show the date in both Julian (10 June) and Gregorian (20 June) calendars. One question: WHY? The Gregorian calendar came into existence in 1582 (15 October, to be exact), and it was NOT retrospective. That means that any dates occurring on or before 4 October 1582 Julian (the day immediately preceding 15 October 1582 Gregorian) should not be converted into what their Gregorian equivalents would have been if the Gregorian calendar had been instituted earlier than it was - which it wasn't.

Looking for clues on our Portuguese WP page, I found this Note a:
 * .. In either case, if June 10th refers to the Julian calendar then in force, in the Gregorian calendar. The current one corresponds to June 20, the day on which the poet's death anniversary should be celebrated and not June 10... (Mário Saa, As Memórias Astrológicas de Camões, Empresa Nacional de Publicidade, Lisbon, 1940, pgs. 313 -317)

Well, with all due respect to the source, that is just wrong-headed. He died on 10 June. The only uncertainty is the year, but in any event it was before 1582. --  Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  23:00, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Move to "Camões"
Believe that due to his influence and the non existance of anyone with the same name it could be a possibility to move the page to simply Camões, since that is how he is still known. 2001:8A0:67F3:4C00:207A:F663:137E:42AF (talk) 23:12, 12 March 2023 (UTC)