Talk:Lucid dream/Archive 6

Tholey
While some of those sources may be usable, why not improve the article on aspects which are missing and include inline references to some of his works where relevant? A list of his works may otherwise best belong in the bibliography section of the author's article. Thanks, — Paleo Neonate  – 19:49, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

I removed the following again. This is way too many papers by the same individual without any suggestion of notability. You need to discuss it here per wp:BRD and get wp:consensus before restoring. Also, please use and add access information as well. Jim1138 (talk) 23:36, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Tholey, Paul (1983). Techniques for inducing and manipulating lucid dreams. Perceptual and Motor Skills, 57, pp 79-90.
 * Tholey, Paul (1983). Relation between dream content and eye movements tested by lucid dreams. Perceptual and Motor Skills, 56, pp 875-878.
 * Tholey, Paul (1983). Cognitive abilities of dream figures in lucid dreams. Lucidity Letter, 71.
 * Tholey, Paul (1988). A model for lucidity training as a means of self-healing and psychological growth. In: J. GACKENBACH & S. LaBERGE (Eds.), Conscious mind, sleeping brain. Perspectives on lucid dreaming, pp 263-287. London: Plenum Press.
 * Tholey, Paul (1988). Overview of the German research in the field of lucid dreaming. Lucidity Letter, 7(1), pp 26-29.
 * Tholey, Paul (1989). Consciousness and abilities of dream characters observed during lucid dreaming. Perceptual and Motor Skills, 68, pp 567-578.
 * Tholey, Paul (1991). Conversation Between Stephen LaBERGE and Paul THOLEY in July of 1989. B. HOLZINGER (ed.). Lucidity, 10(1&2), 1991, pp 62-71.


 * what should i discuss here? YOU should discuss your reverts. and if you do not know the work of tholey you should stop discussing the topic lucid dreaming. Mr. bobby (talk) 18:50, 20 September 2017 (UTC)


 * One does not add large lists of papers to an article. Why should Tholey's articles be listed? Why is Tholey more important than others? Jim1138 (talk) 19:05, 20 September 2017 (UTC)


 * "one does not..." aha. it is original research, the basis for discussing such a topic. taught psychology in frankfurt university (germany). you deleted all this stuff, obviously not knowing anything about the topic. Mr. bobby (talk) 19:17, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You have failed to address the concerns of and I. wp:consensus has not been reached here. Jim1138 (talk) 20:01, 20 September 2017 (UTC)


 * thank you for taking the time to improve the article using Tholey sources. I've noticed the addition of two apparently unused sources but that may be acceptable (versus a larger list of unused sources).  This addition is also interesting as it discusses a technique similar to one which helped me increase their occurence (borrowed from a Central-American 50-70s author in this case).  Thanks again, — Paleo  Neonate  – 22:44, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Additional resources
Here are some references that were removed in a citation cleanup. Hopefully they can be mined for some good info:

-Scoundr3l (talk) 16:59, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Documentary: Waking Life
I have noticed all citations are a bit older, has anyone who has seen "Waking Life" thought of using it for information? Or maybe the people in it? MR.C.LOVE (talk) 16:23, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Peer Review Letter
The article is able to present the definition, history, and research into lucid dreaming very clearly. The article also does a good job of maintaining a neutral perspective, I was never able to find an instance of the article trying to persuade the readers to one or another viewpoint. I also thought you did a good job on the Definition subsection, it was able to clearly explain the aspects of lucid dreaming in a way that is very clear and concise, it helped make a somewhat abstract notion feel more understandable. An area for improvement in the article would be the in the alternative theories and risks subsection. The section is a bit bare bones and does not contain as many citations. Expanding this section can help the article feel more dynamic and increase its depth. For the most part, however, good job! The article is able to make the topic feel very understandable as well as give some insight into the modern uses for it. I hope to use some modern examples in an article I am working on enhancing for a class in the way you did. Thanks for reading and good job! Carlton7567 (talk) 18:55, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the letter. Zachprince6 (talk) 02:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Peer Review Letter
This article did a very good job of defining, giving the history of, and research about lucid dreaming. The article was presented in a way that was organized and easy to follow. It was a good length that included information that was important and interesting. While reading, I never felt like the author was trying to sway my opinion on lucid dreaming one way or the other. The article held an unbiased opinion and presented other opinions in the alternaive theories section. The information presented in this article was easy to understand and helped deepen my understanding of lucid dreaming in a way that helped me form my own opinion. The one improvement that I would suggest is adding more to the risks section. By doing this, it will help readers develop a deeper understand of lucid dreaming and how it can effect people. This article was great and interesting to read, overall, very good job!Hayleeelmore (talk) 20:16, 20 October 2019 (UTC)Hayleeelmore

Thank you for the letter. Zachprince6 (talk) 02:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Evaluation of Article
Bookworm116 (talk) 02:07, 7 May 2020 (UTC) The nightmare section and the prevalence and frequency section contradicts each other. The nightmare section makes it sound as if lucid dreaming can cure nightmares but the prevalence and frequency section is saying that lucid dreaming tend to cause nightmares. More sources are needed to see which fact is correct.Bookworm116 (talk) 02:07, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The contradiction appears to have been because of an unsourced statement which I have removed. Crossroads -talk- 06:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Quotes in Etymology section
"He said the seventh type, lucid dreaming, is 'the most interesting and worthy of the most careful observation and study', and describes having a lucid dream as being 'completely aware of your surroundings and are able to direct your actions freely, yet the sleep is stimulating and uninterrupted'." These two quotes in the etymology section are both attributed to A Study of Dreams, but I can't find the second one anywhere in the linked source. A ctrl+f search doesn't turn up the words "stimulating" or "unterrupted" at all. I had changed it to after the second quote, but  changed it back. Am I just somehow missing it in Van Eeden's text? The Only Zac (talk) 02:53, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I removed that latter bit as failing WP:V. Side note: It was - the capitalization is important. It seems that user may have been assuming that that must also have been from there, but it isn't. Thanks for catching it. Crossroads -talk- 01:46, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

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