Talk:Lucifer (DC Comics)

Where is the citation that this portrayal will be more comic accurate and how can it be if a female is playing a character who is male in the comics?

“Gwendoline Christie is set to portray a more comic accurate version in the upcoming television series The Sandman on Netflix.”

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Title

 * Why is this article under "Lucifer (comics)" rather than "Lucifer (DC Comics)", considering that there is another Lucifer at "Lucifer (Marvel Comics)"?
 * Presumably this was done because the DC Comics one is so much more well-known and widely significant than the Marvel one, but Naming conventions (comics) indicates that both articles should be under their publisher names in such cases, presumably with Lucifer (comics) as a disambiguation page linking to each (in case anyone searches for that, since I see no reason to link to such a page; another option, of course, is to have Lucifer (comics) link to Lucifer (disambiguation))....
 * Oh, and I'm asking because I want to make sure we've settled on a certain title before I go to the trouble of changing every page that links to Lucifer (DC Comics) to a direct link to Lucifer (comics). No point doing that if we the page's title isn't fairly certain yet. -Silence 19:38, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Issue has been resolved- the article title is now Lucifer (DC Comics) Eilu 14:32, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Plot clarification
The article states Lucifer left because he "became tired of his reign" and "felt it was unfair punishment" but I seem to remember that he left because he realized that even as Hell's ruler he's still subject to the laws of Yahweh- in short, retiring is another of his attempts to shake off his father's control and control of his own destiny. Eilu 14:32, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Other Characters
Should a "Other Characters" section be added? It could have short descriptions of recurring characters or those who played pivotal roles in the series, such as Briadach, Gaudium and Spera, Lilith, Mazikeen, Zim'et, Amenadiel, etc. If so, what would be an appropriate heading? I wouldn't mind getting it started. Eilu 14:32, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Problem
The article say the "He is portrayed as sophisticated and almost charming, rather than the stereotypical Christian devil." This is untrue as the christian devil, in popular folklore, is seen as a threat to susceptible women because of his cunning intellect and seductive charm. I am editting this section. Feel free to comment. Lue3378 02:44, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it may be referring to the way the Christian devil is traditionally depicted or pictured (ie. as a hideous monster/demon with cloven hooves and horns on his head) Eilu 16:49, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


 * There are many traditions surrounding the Christian devil. He's variously portrayed as cunning, charming and beautiful (the "Prince of Lies" who will tell you anything you want to hear) or as dangerous in principle but ugly and stupid (the medieval tradition of having a devil who falls for the simplest tricks you can think of, like promising not to take someone to hell until they've had time to take off their jacket... which then of course never happens). As far as appearance goes: in most traditions the devil can appear as anything he wants to, even when his "real form" is supposed to be a goat- or demon-like creature.
 * It's probably misleading to name any particular interpretation "the stereotypical Christian devil"; about the only thing all those views have in common is that the devil is the embodiment of evil. The devil as sophisticated and charming is a common, but not necessarily stereotypical view. 82.92.119.11 10:50, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

== David Bowie == Gaiman instructed(or rather demanded) that Luci look like David Bowie. Exact words "If he doesn't look like David Bowie I will send it back until he does look like David Bowie". So I fixed the passage where it says that early in the series he looked like a young david Bowie. He always looks like David Bowie. Period. First a younger version with the longer hair, then a slightly older version with short hair. just like Bowie himself. He very intentionally looks that way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.157.10 (talk) 20:16, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Gabriel
What's this I hear of a third brother, Gabriel, to Lucifer and Michael?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.116.33.6 (talk • contribs) 17:42, October 30, 2006


 * Well, in the story, all the angels (the entire Host of thousands or maybe even millions) are brothers, the sons of Yahweh. &mdash;Lowellian (reply) 05:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Gabriel only appears in two issues of Lucifer IIRC (50 and 75?). I've heard that Carey left him alone because he was used in Hellblazer. Samael, Michael, and Gabriel are brothers because they are the direct creations of Yahweh, and the demiurges which enacted his will by creating a cosmos. --68.41.122.213 18:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Elaine Belloc
Hey all, I just created an article for Elaine Belloc... But as you'll see it's essentially devoid of substance (I lent all my Luci's to a friend, and I don't want the inaccuracies of memory coming into play). Anyone want to help fill it out? -Porlob 14:14, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Demon#0 and #50
Lucifer also appeared in Demon#0 and #50. Enda80 14:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)Enda80

Relative omnipotence
I changed it to "relative" omnipotence since it sounds better than "nigh." Nigh is a bit too nebulous. This way, it clarifies his standing in the standard hierarchy (i.e. relative to other, "lesser" beings, he is omnipotent. however, relative to his father, he is not). it even says in the article that his powers are second only to his father's. this description seems to fit better.

ShotokanNbjj 19:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

POV
The solo ongoing series has some POV problems. I am specifically thinking of the fact that the article says the nirvana miniseries was "excellent", and other such similar statement. Wikipedia is not a place for comic reviews.

Fair use rationale for Image:Lucifer16.jpg
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Powers and Abilities
Lucifer does not have the demiurgic power, and cannot create universes on a whim. He explicitly needed Michael for that. 88.64.178.44 03:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
I dont think the trivia is accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grimmjow E6 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Trivia sections are discouraged and something with what looks like speculation is about the last thing we want if someone is thinking of starting one (we should be removing them and integrating the information into the article). So I removed it. (Emperor (talk) 23:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC))

Good (: Grimmjow E6 (talk) 18:19, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Lucifer in Constantine
Petty probably, but should the section on Lucifer being in Constantine be deleted? As far as I know, there's been no indication that the Lucifer in that film is based on the DC/Vertigo Lucifer: considering that he takes the role that the First of the Fallen took in the original graphic novel, its more likely the film Lucifer is based on the generic Lucifer, not the comic one.JonStrines (talk) 09:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've removed the following section; the First of the Fallen page clearly (and correctly) states The First of the Fallen and Lucifer are distinct entities and that is was the First of the Fallen that interacted with Constantine in that scene. The film credits list Stormare's character as Satan, a character who is distinct from both Lucifer and The First of the Fallen in comics lore.
 * ==In Film==
 * Lucifer appeared toward the end of the film Constantine. He was portrayed by Peter Stormare.
 * Curiously it was Gaiman's use of Lucifer in Sandman that created both the continuity problems that led to the creation of the First of the Fallen and Carey's Lucifer series itself. The average viewer in certain cultures might equate any 'devil' with Lucifer, but intellectual property lawyers in the US certainly wouldn't.  76.105.238.158 (talk) 08:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Lucifer in Murder Mysteries
I couldn't decide if "other versions" should list Lucifers appearance in Murder Mysteries. On the one hand it was published by Dark Horse, which is not owned by DC, but it is a creation by Neil Gaiman which created the main Lucifer in this article. Note that the Lucifer character and the silver city in Murder Mysteries matches the Sandman story arch, but not the Lucifer story arch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.241.246.109 (talk) 14:46, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Revision issues
What is wrong with this revision: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lucifer_(DC_Comics)&diff=prev&oldid=694453634?

Lucifer Morningstar 01 (talk) 02:02, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Article needs to explain the choice of 'Morningstar' as the lastname
We arn't all in on it, so why isn't there an explanation as to why "Morningstar" was chosen for the charachter's lastname?

Maybe something to do with John Wycliffe's Protestant reformation being subverted by Crypto-Zionists like John Calvin aka John Cohen.

Anyway, how about at least explaining to the readership out there, the historical link that exists between Lucifer (son of the morning) and the morningstar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.66.66.78 (talk) 23:49, 8 June 2016 (UTC)


 * There is already a wikipedia article that explains this in full:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferianism

2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:3539:37B1:7E93:8990 (talk) 12:02, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Thus far, the article lacks any mention of volume two.
allixpeeke (talk) 21:31, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 23 January 2020

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The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure)   CAPTAIN MEDUSA   talk  13:57, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Lucifer (DC Comics) → Lucifer Morningstar – its consistent with Michael Demiurgos (not named "Michael (DC Comics)"), it's a more basic name, it's the main aliase of the character, and there is no other character named Lucifer Morningstar besides this one. The Sr Guy (talk) 13:07, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose since the original Babylonian Lucifer actually means Morning Star, Venus, Shining One, this is just going to confuse readers who don't know comics. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:14, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * not everyone knows the meaning. (The Sr Guy (talk) 10:21, 24 January 2020 (UTC))


 * Oppose As stated by In ictu oculi, "Lucifer" means "Morning Star", making the title potentially confusing. It definitely requires some sort of disambiguation from the mythological Lucifer.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 21:02, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * potentially confusing but probably not, when someone says "Lucifer Morningstar" this usually refers to this character (The Sr Guy (talk) 13:37, 27 January 2020 (UTC)).


 * Oppose, as you are incorrect in saying there is not another character named Lucifer Morningstar; there is, in Chilling Adventures of Sabrina. MacCready (talk) 20:55, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. With all due respect for his fans, I don't believe that the comics hero is the first that will come to mind. Bealtainemí (talk) 07:04, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


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Species
I feel like his species would be better listed as "Angel" since "fallen angel" is more of a label than a species, same with "Archangel" since that's more of a rank than anything else. Booger-mike (talk) 00:46, 11 October 2023 (UTC)