Talk:Lucius Caecilius Iucundus

protected?
My name is Megan and I'm a Classics major at Northwestern University. For my Roman Civilization class, we have an assignment to either revise a current Wikipedia article or create one for an assigned topic. My topic is Lucius Caecilius Iucundus, so obviously I'm going to need to edit this page since it already exists. How do I go about getting it unprotected or getting around the protected status so that I can edit it? I've never written anything on Wikipedia before, so I have no idea what I'm doing. If anyone could tell me how to do this, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! megan gier 22:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I've unprotected it per your request on WP:RPP. Two months is long enough for prot. Work away and if there's anything you need, just ask :) -  Alison ☺ 23:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Modifications
You've got a ton of great information and things look really professional, so I just have some small comments that I think would make your article perfect. Wikipedia likes to have dates in articles linked so that users can see what was going on in 79 AD, other than Vesuvius' eruption, for example. You have a bunch of dates in your article, so for those dates where there are other events happening, I would create links to those dates. Also, sometimes you refer to the banker as Caecilius lucundus and sometimes just as lucundus--this can be distracting within the article, so if you making all mentions of his name standard, either both names or just lucundus, would be a nice improvement. Also, since you mention so much information, maybe there would be some less obvious words you'd like to link, like triptychs or Stabian Street for example, if certain of those words have Wikipedia articles. Finally, I would try, if you can, to make your picture less crooked--your article looks very professional, but because the picture is just slightly off, it becomes very distracting and ultimately detracts from all the great information you provide. Again, these are just tiny changes--otherwise, it looks great! --Stuart Anderson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.124.162.236 (talk • contribs)


 * Well, in regards to how to refer to Lucius Caecilius Iucundus, we need to think about naming conventions for Roman citizens. "Lucius" is his praenomen, or first name.  "Caecilius" is his nomen, meaning he belongs to the clan of the Caecilii - something of a last name.  Then "Iucundus" is his cognomen, which is a family name - also something of a last name.


 * I will agree, though - whatever we use, it needs to be consistent throughout the article. SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Comments
I think that you're article is great, you have lots of good information that a person can expand upon in further research like an encyclopedia article should, and lots of different resources. Only criticisms are that it would be easier for the reader if you would link some of the lesser known terms that you have within your article to other Wikipedia pages. -Zachary McMahon 5/15

Hi Megan. I think this is a great article. It provides a wide array of information and I especially like how you have used the numbers after each fact as a link to your references. I agree with Zach and think that it would be improved if there were more internal links to other references, so that someone reading the article could maybe expand their reading to other Wikipedia article articles. Other than that, great job! -- Ina Yanyao Wu 5/15

Contradiction
This article says Quintus is really the article Quintus says he is not which way the Contradict-other is on this page--71.170.106.104 21:15, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Megan Gier added extensive material, referring several times to stated page numbers in Mau, Pompeii: Its Life and Art, but these do not tie up to the second edition available on-line at questia.com.
 * E.g. page 348 briefly mentions Caecilius' house having beautiful wall decorations in the tablinium, but makes no mentions of the two sons for which a source of p497 was claimed. I have left a note on her user talk page, but she does not seem to be editing any longer and has not left an email address. Without an explanation for the discrepancy, some of the material she added may have to be deleted, including the two sons.
 * In other words, the real Quintus might be a hoax. - Fayenatic (talk) 22:52, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Then let's get rid of it. Seems fairly straightforward.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:03, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * OK after all -- found it. Page numbers differ; sons are on p 507. I will link to the online edition. - Fayenatic (talk) 23:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Naming
Even though Iucundus comes last, Caecilius is the name that is used to refer to him most often and the name by which he will be best-known by Wikipedia users because he is referred to in that way in the Cambridge Latin Course.

Caecilius est in horto.
Caecilius est in horto. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mister Jerry Jackson (talk • contribs) 18:23, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

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"Has been suggested"
A further freedman named Felix has been suggested as the dedicator of the portrait herm of Iucundus 

It says "GENIO NOSTRI FELIX L" right there on the bust. Not very difficult or controversial then, is it? The text makes it sound like a very thorny issue. 2A02:AA1:104D:1981:6CB5:153C:86DE:D041 (talk) 13:40, 19 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The bone of contention is how many people we're talking about here: we already have a Felix that is Iucundus's father, and it's unclear whether the Felix in the dedication is that Felix (and so the subject of the portrait is someone else, probably Felix's master -- it's not named in the inscription), or whether it's another Felix and so the portrait is Iucundus. We often assume the latter, but have to be clear that it is only an assumption (and indeed to follow our source, which is Beard, who considers that the portrait probably isn't Iucundus). UndercoverClassicist T·C 10:22, 20 December 2023 (UTC)