Talk:Lucy, Lady Duff-Gordon

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New York Exhibition 2005
Posted by sashka pozzetti: I have been given a copy of a catalogue for the Lucile exhibition that was held a while back in New York, and it is absolutely amazing. There are loads of great pictures of beautiful Lucile dresses cleverly grouped together by the curators in themes, like 'exotic', and 'romantic'. There are some amazing colour pictures of clothes and lots more information. I recommend anyone interested in Lucile getting a copy. This is the first proper expert publication I have ever seen about Lucile, and it names useful sources for research, and even where you can find private collectors. A goldmine. I think Randy Bingham said he also contributed some of the beautiful pictures and clothes to the exhibition. Stunning!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kittybrewster (talk • contribs) 08:43, 18 April 2007 (UTC).

I didn't contribute any pictures or clothes to the exhibition. A reporter for a magazine who interviewed me got the info I supplied mixed up. At the time I was planning to send images of Lucy Duff Gordon to the FIT student curators but due to another project that conflicted I was not able to get them in on time. The display was indeed beautiful and certainly needed nothing from me to make it so.Randy-bigham (talk) 04:29, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

You can contact FIT for more information about this exhibition, including the various sources of exhibits, how it was put together, and the problems curators encountered, as well as the successes. A 'virtual' record exists for those who did not actually see the exhibition at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.84.158 (talk) 19:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Naming issues
If I interpret the naming conventions correctly, this article should be at Lucy Duff Gordon or Lucy Duff-Gordon, and what's up with the hyphen? It never shows in the text except in the Wood vs Duff-Gordon case. Er rab ee 07:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Although the press of the day often used a hyphen in the surname, and the legal case to which you refer did so as well, the Duff Gordon family has never used one. It was most likely used in publishing for clarity but technically "Duff-Gordon" is incorrect.Randy-bigham (talk) 04:34, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Oxford Dictionary of National Biography agrees that there is no hyphen: http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101056592/. William Avery (talk) 08:08, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If this is the case, why are hyphens still there? BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:20, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Titanic
In 1912, Lucile was called to New York on business, and she and her husband, along with Lucile’s secretary Laura Mabel Francatelli, booked first-class passage on the ocean liner RMS Titanic under the names Mr. and Mrs. Morgan. Why they used false names? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.240.228.183 (talk) 21:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

It is thought that the Duff Gordons sailed incognito for privacy reasons; Lucy when on business trips usually traveled alone under her own name, welcoming the publicity that attended her arrival in port, especially in New York. She seldom traveled on business with Cosmo who from published and private sources did not care for media attention, so it's likely that on this rare occasion when the couple was sailing together the decision was made to use an alias. A theory about the use of the name "Morgan" is that it was an inside joke referencing J.P. Morgan, the owner of the Titanic who had planned to be aboard for the maiden voyage. Lucy was friends with his daughter Anne and through her likely knew why old J.P. canceled passage at the last minute - to be with his mistress in the south of France. Randy-bigham (talk) 04:51, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

First major British-based designer?
What about Redfern (couture)? Seems that John Redfern was just as successful/widespread as Lucile, and started in the mid-Victorian era on the Isle of Wight, and was London based, but went international too. Sounds pretty major... Mabalu (talk) 10:46, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Scope for an ordered history of the development of fashion and people involved, in London and elsewhere?
WHther as a single article referring to the several people and houses in sequence, or as a category or project? Does it exist? Midgley (talk) 16:33, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

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Surname format
The article has 23 instances of "Lucy Duff-Gordon". Should all the later instances be changed to simply "Duff-Gordon" as per WP:SURNAME? Or else do we need to use some other format such as, for example, "Lady Lucy"? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:45, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Bankruptcy?
''Duff Gordon was eventually bankrupted after she revealed in the American press that she was not designing much of the clothing that was attributed to her name. She spent her later years selling imported clothing and smaller collections in a succession of unsuccessful small 'boutiques'.'' Is there a source for this? Should it be written this way? It implies that she was trucking along merrily, then made the admission and tanked, while the later discussion contextualizes her admission with her legal struggles and does not sound anywhere near as dire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7080:EF43:B000:4D9E:9A98:31B6:2645 (talk) 21:17, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Additional book
A Dress of Violet Taffeta by Tessa Arlen features Lady Duff Gordan as the main focus from her divorce through the Titanic. 76.31.161.108 (talk) 19:28, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Drawings by Duff-Gordon
UCLA has a collection of original drawings by Lady Duff-Gordon at https://digital.library.ucla.edu/catalog/ark:/21198/zz000sgr2s. They should all be public domain, so if anyone wants to upload them for use in this article (or just to add to Commons), you should totally go for it. — holly  {chat} 23:46, 6 January 2024 (UTC)