Talk:Ludus Anglicorum

Relevant literature: Schädler, Das Spiel der Engländer
I'm not well versed in the history of tables games, I just noticed that the article doesn't mention the paper by Schädler on this topic. PDF download at researchgate.net, https://doi.org/10.1515/9783110338294.109 (paywalled) --Jonas kork (talk) 12:10, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Schädler's paper looks most interesting – and not just for this article. However, it would need translating and digesting before being of use here. I would be interested in doing that, but don't currently have time. As a passing comment, I think it's a pity Schädler feels he has to refer to "backgammon games" rather than "tables games", probably to make the article easier to search on. But of course Backgammon had not been invented when the manuscript was written. Bermicourt (talk) 12:54, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That may at least partly be due to the fact that there's no immediate equivalent of "table games" in German. Zabelspiel is very much outdated (and to my knowledge was never used in the sense of this particular family of games), Tafelspiel would be interpreted as "game on the blackboard". The closest we get to a German generic term for the family is by using the name of one of the family members, e.g. Tricktrackspiele, Backgammonspiele, Puffspiele, each trying to encompass the whole group. --Jonas kork (talk) 08:32, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It's a common problem in English too, because everyone's heard of Backgammon, but few have heard of tables games. If you look closely at the article image you'll see that the Mary Rose Museum describes the equipment found in the Mary Rose as a Backgammon set even though the Mary Rose sank before Backgammon was invented. I intend to write to them to correct that! Of course it's okay to explain it by saying e.g. "tables games of which Backgammon is a modern example" or even "Backgammon-like games". Either way, Schädler looks well worth studying, so thank you. Bermicourt (talk) 09:26, 8 June 2023 (UTC)