Talk:Ludwig Häfner

Notability
Does not meet WP:SOLDIER & sig RS coverage not found link.

No de.Wiki article. Please also see a note at MilHist Talk Archives for background behind the redirect. In summary, per the outcome of the discussion at Notability:People on notability of Knight's Cross recipients: permalink, certain recipients were deemed non notable and WP:SOLDIER has been modified accordingly: diff. The articles of these recipients are being redirected to alphabetical lists.

K.e.coffman (talk) 07:23, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Notable due to his status as a Flying ace with a high claimed kills counts. As you can see in List of World War II flying aces - flyers with a much smaller kill count have articles - with the notability being their kill count and nothing else. Being an aerial ace (with a significant count for a particular conflict - 5 would be borderline for WWII, but would confer significance in any other conflict - mid-double digits and up for WWII is clearly significant). notable per SOLDIER: " Played an important role in a significant military event such as a major battle or campaign" - kill counts of these magnitude are a significant material and personnel (aviation - expensive to train) advantage. Soviets were competitive in the air from the end of 1942 and onward - and in event taking out a regiment sized enemy force - Aviation regiment (Soviet Union) single handed is significant regardless of opposition quality.Icewhiz (talk) 10:37, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Redirect
Restoring the redirect. Successful completion of missions (sorties flown, # of enemy aircraft shot down, etc) is not part of SOLDIER. A MilHist RfC on this topic has failed to gain consensus in May of 2017:
 * MilHist:RfC on the notability of flying aces.

For a relevant AfD, please see:
 * Articles for deletion/Fritz Lüddecke, which closed as "Delete" in September 2017.

Please also see the discussion with the editor who had earlier objected to the redirect: Link.
 * --K.e.coffman (talk) 00:57, 15 October 2017 (UTC)