Talk:Lufthansa

Focus city
Since 2015, Lufthansa is operating to/from its Frankfurt and Munich hubs only. But Luftansa kept its service from Düsseldorf to Newark, NJ, which is now flown by a dedicated Airbus A330 six times a week. Aircraft and crews are based locally. So Lufthansa is deviating from its two hub system. Does this aspect lead to Düsseldorf being a focus city for Lufthansa? What do you think? --AviNation (talk) 18:43, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Average age of the fleet
Isn't there any information about the average age of the Lufthansa fleet? 112.198.82.170 (talk) 04:01, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * It is not that important as it is never reported by reliable sources, most sites that do have average age are enthusiast sites which are not the reliable and dont give an indication that anybody else thinks it is of note. MilborneOne (talk) 17:09, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Flag carrier
Time to learn: Those who insist since years in Lufthansa being a flag carrier (even only de facto) should deliver proofs. 77.12.191.242 (talk) 04:02, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Then the insistence is an advertisement!--65.220.39.79 (talk) 14:46, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Sanskrit origin
On numerous occasions someone has added a second theory (or replaces the established theory) of the origin of the name "Lufthansa" with a statement that the name derives from Sanskrit. The theory varies from time to time and no credible explanation or source is ever given. It now reads "The other [naming theory] is that the word was designed by F.A. Fischer von Poturzyn, who had written a book of the same name, in which he detailed the word Lufthansa as an amalgamation of two Sanskrit words: 'Lupth(लुप्त) and 'Hansa (हंस)'." First, there is no real reason to doubt the officially stated etymology of German "Luft" (air) + "Hansa" (the medieval Hanseatic league). Also, the currently posted Sanskrit theory is dubious since the common Sanskrit word for air is vayu, not "lupth". While I am no expert in Sanskrit, I have not been able to find anything to substantiate that the Sanskrit word "lupht" (which appears contrived to match the German "Luft") even exists. Reply: Sanskrit word लुप्तः (Lupt) means lost or extinct and हंसः (Hamsa/Hansa) means swan.

I think the background to this is that there do exist historical relationships between Germany and India (that were especially strong pre WWII) and a shared Indo-European linguistic background. With regard to the part of the theory that "-hansa" should refer to a swan or crane rather than the Hanseatic league, there is an interesting and real link between the German word for goose (Gans) and the Sanskrit word for the same bird, which is exactly the same: "Gans".

I am removing the theory of a Sanskrit origin of the name since it is both highly improbable and not supported by any evidence at all. Thracia91 (talk) 05:37, 25 May 2015 (UTC)


 * coment on this removal - You should be less partial against Sanskrit. The Hansa (bird shown) in the logo of Lufthansa comes from the the Sanskrit word Hansa which means Swan (bird). Lufthansa word is a combination of Luft as German for Air and Hansa the bird as Sanskrit word — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.23.7 (talk) 18:28, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for this? Thanks, VG31 19:16, 1 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Just to note that the crane logo (not a swan) was inherited from Deutsche Aero Lloyd in the 1920s so originally had no connection with the name of the airline. MilborneOne (talk) 12:24, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * that note is wrong, the swan originated with Deutsche lufthansa in 1926 and not with Deutsche Aero Lloyd, check the logos. And the logo of Lufthansa is exactly same as that of Deutsche lufthansa check this http://1000logos.net/lufthansa-logo/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.170.79 (talk) 06:04, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Clearly existed before 1926 as shown in the ref you supplied and also see that Deutsche Aero Lloyd were using the Crane (per |Aero Lloyd Timetables) before it merged in to Lufthansa? MilborneOne (talk) 18:43, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Please note Luft = Lupt = Vanished (Sanskrit) & Hansa = Swan. The swan that flied high and vanished in the sky is Lufthansa and please note their logo is also that of a Swan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.87.153.25 (talk) 07:17, 10 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Clearly an urban myth, have a read of the comments above about the crane logo. MilborneOne (talk) 11:49, 18 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Not at all a myth but a clear Sanskrit influence. Atul Kaushal  15:08, 2 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Not supported by reliable sources and common sense just a repeat of an urban myth with made up connections that dont exist in the real world. MilborneOne (talk) 16:38, 2 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Second that this is a myth. There is quite a corpus of back-constructed words claimed to stem from Sanskrit with made up associations - this being one of them. The hans in lufthansa originates in Old High German for convoy or confederation from the days of the vast guild called the Hanseatic league or Hansa. In fact the "vanished swan" is itself a much poorer alternative to airborne convoy, since luft is a widely used German word in such contexts, such as the luftwaffe, the connection to lupta from Sanskrit with a switch to fricative consonant is arbitrary. There is also a pointed response from Lufthansa to this same old and repeatedly debunked theory on this facebook post — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aditya Kmar (talk • contribs) 07:04, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Advertisement?
Is it allowed here for Wikipedia is declared as non commercial?--65.220.39.79 (talk) 12:54, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

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Innovation Hub
Note: The Lufthansa Innovation Hub should imho be mentioned. The website is giving an idea, while there will be articles elsewhere. :) Cheers, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 23:10, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Greyhound transport source
I have been reading these accusations all over the internet, but is there any source that Lufthansa is transporting greyhounds to Macau? There has not been a statement made by Lufthansa and there is also no report by a news company like CNN or German media. So where is the source for these accusations? Otherwise they should be deleted. 84.119.174.46 (talk) 13:24, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Edit: Deleted greyhound section til credible source is provided 84.119.174.46 (talk) 16:40, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Fleet policy - Boeing 777 order
It should be noted that Boeing and Lufthansa had announced a big launch order for the 777-9 (34 frames + options and purchase rights) with big fanfare. However, actually only 20 were ordered so far.95.90.192.31 (talk) 17:33, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

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JU-52 D-CDLH
Hi! I discovered today that Lufthansa owns a restored, airworthy, JU-52, in first-iteration Luft Hansa colors. Should this be added to the fleet list? Though it is not in regular use, it is also not retired, and used for historical flights. The Legacy (talk) 09:03, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Germanwings accident not included
It’s very disingenuous that the Germanwings accident Germanwings Flight 9525 is put under another airline.. I knew it as a Lufthansa accident, and Lufthansa owns Germanwings, but it’s very cleverly (and no doubt intentionally) been edited so that the awful Germanwings accident doesn’t appear under Lufthansa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.69.2.154 (talk) 12:16, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

"Complicity"?
Is that encyclopedic standard – to use the word "complicity" to describe rendering services in assistance of a lawful action by democratically legitimated public servants? The author of that segment inserted their personal political opinion about illegal immigration into the lemma. That word has no place here, though, and I'm going to replace it with more objective a term. 217.253.60.185 (talk) 06:02, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Re: Treatment of World War II-era past
The removal of this section on the grounds that it is "irrelevant because it using years old sources and there is no point in adding this to page now, its strange to make this one line mention now while retrieving an old news source" is not valid. In keeping with Wikipedia's encyclopedic nature, it is of no consequence when a controversy occurred or was written about relative to its inclusion in a Wikipedia article. Rather than let things escalate to an edit war, please take up any questions regarding this topic here. --Publius In The 21st Century (talk) 07:46, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

"Deutschlandese Airlines" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Scope of this article and Lufthansa Group
There is currently some overlap between this article and Lufthansa Group. For example, the subsidiaries of Lufthansa Group are also presented here. Should the articles be merged, or should this article be restricted to Lufthansa Airlines, with information about subsidiaries and other corporate affairs moved to the Group article? Ibadibam (talk) 16:40, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * After thinking about it, perhaps it should be merged back here. Even the company's own history can't find a clean line between Lufthansa as an airline and Lufthansa Group. All the Lufthansa Group article really offers right now is some incomplete corporate history and a list of subsidiaries. It doesn't appear that Lufthansa as an airline is a distinct subsidiary within Lufthansa Group, but rather that there is a single entity, Deutsche Lufthansa AG. Ibadibam (talk) 20:49, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Quote from https://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/company/company-portrait.html: „Deutsche Lufthansa AG is the parent company and the largest single operating company in the Lufthansa Group. The individual business segments are run as separate Group companies, with the exception of the Lufthansa Passenger Airlines.“
 * Lufthansa Group is part of Deutsche Lufthansa AG, but Deutsche Lufthansa AG itself is again a company in the Lufthansa Group. So the „subsidiary“ (Deutsche Lufthansa AG) owns the „parent company“ (LH Group) and and coordinates the business. Lufthansa German Airlines is part of Deutsche Lufthansa AG and is not seen as a different company. That’s how I understand it. Ben7x (talk) 11:40, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ben7x @Ibadibam Corporate law/restrcturing is complex, and unless our sourcing makes a very clean/neat distinction between the two, having separate articles does more of a service. This is a good case for a merge, while this article is still short. There is Volkswagen and Volkswagen AG which also ought to be merged, or at least the histories, but it would be a more complex merge now. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:11, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It seems like there is no actual corporate entity registered as "Lufthansa Group" but rather that this is a name for the entire network of companies consisting of Deutsche Lufthansa AG and its many subsidiaries and subunits. It's tempting to say that Lufthansa should cover Lufthansa German Airlines and Lufthansa Group should cover the whole group as already titled, but since Lufthansa German Airlines itself has subsidiaries, we'd have corporate affairs split between two different articles, which would have to be re-scoped any time the company has a reorganization. Merging seems to be the way to go. Ibadibam (talk) 19:58, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree, following WP:BOLD I redirected the article to Lufthansa. Taxin 609  ( Talk To Me ) 21:31, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I agree with this merge too. חוקרת (Researcher) (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I added in what content from Lufthansa Group I thought was merge-able. I didn't really look at the infobox there, not sure whether any of that should be merged in as well, if anyone else wants to check. Ibadibam (talk) 17:46, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ibadibam Thanks, I didnt really see anything in the info box other than a different logo. Taxin 609  ( Talk To Me ) 20:34, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Logo and website
One can see white logo on the website and black in the infobox, with white logo not available on Commons. And website features cookies so it is unusable. --5.43.74.120 (talk) 12:27, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * What a company does with its website is mostly not Wikipedia's concern. As for the logo, Lufthansa uses several color variations; I don't think it really adds to the article to show every variation in the article. Ibadibam (talk) 23:24, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Claims re airline banning all Jews from a flight because some Jews on an earlier flight were not wearing masks
Story here. That source is likely not suitable per WP:RS, but there's an assertion that Frankfurter Algemeine has covered it as well (with a link). I don't intend to get involved on this article, but perhaps some other editors will be interested. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 14:53, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The best non-blog coverage I can find so far is this article in Hamodia. This article in Business Insider uses the Hamodia article as a source but also includes additional independent reporting. I think both would probably meet the criteria for reliable sources in this case. Ibadibam (talk) 19:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

CEO(s?)
The current CEO of Lufthansa Airlines is Jens Ritter, as seen on their company management page, however, he is not listed on this page anywhere and the CEO listen is the CEO of Lufthansa Group. Should Ritter be listed on this page? I assume this could be a hangover from Lufthansa Group being merged into Lufthansa? MistyKangaroo (talk) 19:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

List of Lufthansa destinations
This article was deleted recently in a combination deletion review which many users on here may not have been aware of. CHCBOY (talk) 21:57, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Wait then what are we gonna do about the destination section of this article? it makes the Destinations section look misleading as it only shows the codeshare agreement Lufthansa has and the destinations list were not even added here, What should we do? Metrosfan (talk) 10:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)