Talk:Luigi Galleani/Archive 1

Needs refocusing on Galleani
I think this devotes too much space to details about individual bombings, rather than the social and political climate, effects of the bombings (other than on individual victims.) Not sure if there is an article about Galleanists, but this goes pretty far into his followers' activities rather than staying focused on Galleani and his influence, which obviously was considerable. Losing the forest for the trees.Parkwells (talk) 20:50, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

(from France) I fully agree with you. Then the statement that the Haymarket martyrs of Chicago 'were killed in labor unrest', or the one that it is 'with evidence in hand' that Palmer decided the Palmer Raids and the deportations delirium, are here to give an idea of the ideology of the author of this pitiful text... 194.199.4.203 (talk) 13:28, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Untitled
re "he turned his attentions to anarchist propaganda" (1st paragraph). Propaganda is a very value laden term, at least in it's contemporary sense. I presume something like "the promotion of anarchist ideas" is intended (although "anarchist ideas" with the inappropriate value judgment intended could also be meant here). Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than myself might like to change this to use more neutral language? Peace. 60.242.91.158 04:13, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've done this, though it took a while. —  Jake   Wartenberg  02:57, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, Galleani described himself as a propagandist for anarchism, a role he saw as necessary in order to motivate workers to rally to violent action. He intended to accomplish this via passionate and overtly biased advocacy.  He believed in 'value judgements' as much as he believed in bombs and violence.  Whatever language is used to describe anarchism in general should not be allowed to obscure Galleani's strongly held beliefs, because that would falsify history.Dellant (talk) 17:25, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

La salute è in voi
This title is translated here and in the Sacco and Vanzetti article as "Health Is in You," but I think "Salvation Is in You" is the intended meaning: we're told that it was a manual for direct action. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.28.5.80 (talk) 02:41, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

italian law school for adolescents?
"Galleani became an anarchist as an adolescent, while studying law at the University of Turin in northern Italy." Maybe this means "in his late teens"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.90.214.138 (talk) 00:37, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Spin off "activities" to a new wiki entry?
Wouldn't it make sense to spin of the "Revolutionary activities" section of this entry to a new entry, perhaps something like "Galleanist activities in the United States"? Or maybe it shouldn't be limited by country. Then we could build it up and organize it with sub-heads, add a list of key figures, etc. The current entry has grown way beyond biography. It would just take some cutting and pasting to get it started. I guess I'm just echoing the previous comment on this talk page. If I don't get answers here I may raise the question at the project level. Thoughts? Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 17:51, 7 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for bringing attention to this at the Anarchist Task Force page. I'll grant that if the bio page isn't necessarily the proper place for the exploits of Galleani's comrades (Followers? Tisk! Were these people not anarchists?) I think that, in context, it isn't useful to tightly focus on the events and exploits of the "Galleanists". I recommend creating a "History of anarchism in the United States", dividing it into sections by era, and interjecting these events in the appropriate chronological section. This will situate them within a historical framework. Alternately, you could attempt to radically restructure the the current article on Anarchism in the United States. That article doesn't tightly focus on history, but rather summarizes biographies and theories common to the US anarchist scene. That isn't ideal. Ideally, it should focus on the history of Anarchism, as the article on Anarchism in Cuba, China, and Greece does. Of course, I recognize that this may all seem very daunting. I encourage you to not feel intimidated by the effort this would require. It would only take a little initial effort to get the ball rolling before other editors joined in. --Cast (talk) 00:22, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The problem is that Galleani is inextricably linked to the violence of his followers. He called openly for violence, provided bomb-making instructions in a pamphlet advertised in his periodical; violent acts often immediately followed his speeches.  He also attracted an extremely close group of co-conspirators to carry out his violent vision of revolutionary class struggle, adherents who insisted on being called Galleanists - not anarchists. The Bureau of Investigation was not the FBI of today, and neither was the law on conspiracy; the agency was woefully unprepared to penetrate the Galleanists and to expose Galleani's role in the bombing campaigns, and missed several opportunities to do so.  But given what we know now about Galleani and the Galleanist organization, to divorce Galleani from the bombing campaigns of the Galleanists would be the same as treating Osama bin Laden in isolation from the attacks by Al Qaeda on 9/11 - it simply isn't possible.Dellant (talk) 17:40, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Except that we have different wikipedia entries for al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. An entry on the activities need not deny a role in those activities to Galleani. And I don't suggest a "divorce" of any kind. Just 2 articles, each with its own focus. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 18:16, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Got no problem with that, as long as that 'role' gives adequate mention to Galleani's responsibility for his namesake movement's actions, which he often defended and never disowned.Dellant (talk) 22:50, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

My vote is to collapse the activities of the Galleanists which appear on this page into a single paragraphic summary with a "main article: _____ " link below it's heading pointing to another page. "The Galleanists" would be a good title for the page. There are contemporary Galleanists, so they could be touched upon in a final "contemporary activity" section. I would also like to alert any authors/editors of pages featuring anarchist history to a draft-article I'm working on:  Anarchist Defendants in the United States (draft). If you're interested, please contribute! Ahwoooga (talk) 03:46, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

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Cronaca Sovversiva portrait
Fruitlessly attempting to track down the origin of his portrait photo apparently on the cover of some issue of Cronaca Sovversiva. The masthead heading looks like it's "Anno XV", which matches with "Lynn, Mass" (where he was between 1912 and 1918) and what appears to be "September 1917" (in Italian). But it doesn't line up with the digitized issues at LoC. I went through the front pages (pages with the header/logo image) since 1912 and struck out there too. Perhaps LoC didn't archive it? Same photo is on a postcard/poem associated with his death. czar  08:03, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Split and merge section
The section titled "Galleanist activities" has almost nothing to do with Galleani himself and is almost entirely about other Galleanists. It seems like this section could be relatively easily merged into the article on the Galleanisti without any loss to the article. -- Grnrchst (talk) 17:01, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed and I'd consider this an uncontroversial merge candidate czar  04:33, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * +1. -- asilvering (talk) 21:15, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Czar; @Asilvering: Done. It still needs some work to tighten it up a bit, and the Avrich 1991 citation unfortunately has an incredibly broad page range that needs specifying. But the information works better there than it does in Galleani's biography. -- Grnrchst (talk) 11:16, 15 March 2023 (UTC)