Talk:Luis Rubiales

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Sexual Assault of Jennifer Hermoso
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/spain-luis-rubiales-kiss-orgies-30747269

Spanish FA chief Luis Rubiales' sexually assaulted Jennifer Hermoso after their Women's World Cup triumph. 2003:C9:5716:7252:DC7F:2845:4E02:120D (talk) 05:57, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Two (acting) ministers have condemned this: Miquel Iceta, acting minister of Culture and Sports, and Irene Montero, acting minister of Equality. The act may be punishable by the criminal code (article 178) and/or Sports Law (Law 39/2022). 147.156.104.21 (talk) 15:42, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Room for a "controversies" section?
There seems to be abundant material for a "controversies" section, including a scandal related to a corruption acussation regarding the Saudi Super Cup and a follow-up trial, another trial for assault (acquitted) , further trials (also acquitted)  plus the incident of the kiss.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.156.104.21 (talk) 06:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ...and the alleged "orgies paid for with public money" 147.156.104.21 (talk) 06:38, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The Spanish Wikipedia has a controversies section: 73.168.5.183 (talk) 00:15, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Discouraged per WP:CSECTION --FMSky (talk) 22:54, 26 August 2023 (UTC)


 * i think a controversy section is necessary. We cant just exclude content because it makes him look bad. Iftybito67 (talk) 06:05, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Nothing has to be excluded, its just that a section header named "Controversies" is discouraged and should be named something else --FMSky (talk) 10:25, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with Iftybito67, there's at least 3 separate controversies hiding under the "post-retirement" section. D1551D3N7 (talk) 10:26, 27 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I also agree, he should have the sexual assault mentioned on this page.

Comparison to Sandra Bullock
Meryl Streep & Scarlett Johansson didn't react like Jenny Hermoso when Sandra Bullock smooched them seemingly unscripted out-of-the blue. Isn't Rubiales being pilloried too much for his knee-jerk reaction? 2601:C4:C300:1F40:146F:482D:D791:BAB8 (talk) 12:33, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The question is if this article reflects on how sources reflect on the incident. If the answer is a 'yes' and that's too much for you, well, whatever floats your boat, but that's unconsequential to Wikipedia. Whether Rubiales is "pilloried" more than Sandra Bullock is frankly speaking, irrelevant, original research, and drawing an absurd parallel, pursuant to unrelated American culture wars.--Asqueladd (talk) 12:50, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Date of suing Spanish wikipedia
The article currently states Rubiales sued over content in Spanish wikipedia in December 2022. But the sources cited stated it was in August 2023. The Spanish Wikipedia article on Rubiales also states the lawsuit was filed in August 2023. I think the confusion has come because one of the articles cited says there has been an ongoing judicial case into the allegations themselves (not the Wikipedia coverage of them) since December 2022. But I am not a native Spanish speaker so if someone could double check the sources and correct the dates Little Professor (talk) Little Professor (talk) 20:28, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Tabloid content, allegations of orgies and BLP compliance
On 27 August 2023, I received the following message on my talk page from the editor Asqueladd in relation to me deleting content from two tabloid sources:

As you have assumed the heavy task of discretionarily gatekeeping sources by dismissing them as tabloids, I implore you to disclose your holistic (and presumably vast) knowledge about Spanish mainstream press outlets and whether media such as El País, El Mundo, ABC, La Razón, La Vanguardia, El Periódico de Catalunya, eldiario.es, El Confidencial, Mundo Deportivo, Cadena SER, Onda Cero, À Punt, Ara et. al... qualify as tabloid or not, so humble editors could know how to edit within those boundaries in advance. Likewise, feel free to take any concern about such sources to WP:RSN, not least in order to lighten and share the heavy burden you assumed. Best regards.--Asqueladd (talk) 16:01, 27 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I deleted content from Mundo Deportivo. I have previously seen this sports newspaper and I'm 99% sure it is a sports tabloid. I also deleted content from La Razón. I have not seen La Razón, but I understand it is published in a tabloid format. Is there a reliable source to state that La Razón is not a tabloid?


 * I deleted content from the two Spanish newspapers, one of which I believe is 99% likely to be a tabloid and the other which I think is probably a tabloid. I did so for the following reasons:


 * 1) Guidelines at WP:BLPSOURCES state: "Material should not be added to an article when the only sources are tabloid journalism. When material is both verifiable and noteworthy, it will have appeared in more reliable sources."


 * 2) Guidelines at WP:BLP state: "Biographies of living persons ("BLPs") must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives; the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment.


 * 3) Guidelines at WP:SENSATIONAL state: "Tabloid or yellow journalism is usually considered a poor basis for an encyclopedia article, due to the lack of fact checking inherent in sensationalist and scandal mongering news reporting. Per policy, Wikipedia is not for scandal mongering or gossip."


 * As WP:BLP guidelines state that biographical articles must be written conservatively, I have tonight edited the content "Juan Rubiales denounced Rubiales to the anti-corruption prosecutor's office for an alleged emblezzlement of RFEF money, reportedly spent in orgies with a group of friends in a house in Salobreña in 2020" to instead "Juan Rubiales accused Luis Rubiales of emblezzlement of RFEF money, allegedly spent on private parties with a group of friends in a house in Salobreña in 2020."


 * It is an accusation that Juan Rubiales has made. "Private parties" is a more cautious form of wording than "orgies". A BLP Wikipedia article, as an encyclopedia, not a tabloid, should be cautious about sensational or salacious claims. Incidentally, in my last 500 edits on various Wikipedia articles, only nine (less than 2%) have been to remove tabloid content. Kind Tennis Fan (talk) 23:36, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Neutral portrait picture
I would suggest using as a portrait picture, as the current one is overly positive, especially given the recent events 98.207.142.161 (talk) 08:44, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * wat --FMSky (talk) 08:48, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

FIFA suspended him from which post?
He has 2 posts : both? 2.96.196.208 (talk) 18:07, 5 September 2023 (UTC)