Talk:Luis de Carvajal y de la Cueva

Two different people
This article is confusing Luis de Carbajal de la Cueva and Luis de Carbajal el Moso, who was burned killed and burned at the stake along with his family for being cryto Jewish.

Untitled
The entries should be combined because the two entries refer to the same individual.

Disputed
The article currently says, "He threw himself out of a window to escape further torture." But there's a whole book, The Martyr: Luis de Caravajal, a Secret Jew in Sixteenth-Century Mexico, about him that says he was burned at the stake in 1596. It also says he was 30 at the time. The summary on the back of the book definitely identifies him as "Luis de Carvajal the Younger," so if any source is thinking of someone else, I think it's the article. Looking at Luis de Carabajal y Cueva, it looks like there might have been a third Luis in the family, who perhaps threw himself from a window. It looks like the Jewish Encyclopedia is definitely talking about this guy, though. I'm not completely sure what to think. --BDD (talk) 20:18, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Scratch that third Luis theory. I took a look at the Spanish Wikipedia article on this one, and it says he jumped out of a window and was later burned at the stake. So it's possible that the article is correct and his body was burned (did they do that?), or that his fall was not fatal, and he was later burned at the stake. --BDD (talk) 20:24, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

There is a lot of well sourced infomration in the book THE ENLIGHTENED the Writings of Luis De Carvajal, El Mozo by Luis de Liebman, Seymour B., Carvajal. The source for most of the information in the book was from translated Inquisition documents. According to the book, De Carvajal was indeed burned at the stake unreconciled but his Mother and sisters reconciled, were strangled and then burned. Luis's brothers were burned in effigy, escaped Mexico and changed their name to Lumbroso in honor of their deceased brother's moniker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.118.2 (talk) 14:06, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Tagged for POV and lack of references
This article contains a number of mostly unreferenced and non-neutral comments, such as "no believable evidence", "without any evidence" etc. Moreover, previous edits citing the view of reputable historians that Carvajal supported himself and his colleagues by enslaving and selling Indians have been nearly all deleted, or watered down to say only that he was accused of "harming Indians." In other words, the article is a whitewash of what competent authorities believe to be true about Carvajal's activities and character. I plan to reinsert some of the former, referenced material into the article, but it needs a complete re-write to measure up to POV standards.Smallchief (talk 12:20, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

I would add that this article is based almost entirely on a single source, Samuel Temkin. All other sources have been scrubbed from the article. Thus, another template. Smallchief (talk 13:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Templates deleted as I revised the article to meet at least minimum standards for POV and references. Smallchief (talk 12:00, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

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A Completely Different Understanding of Carvajal's life and Judaism under the Inquisition
I found this on BBC News' website. It recounts a very different version of Carvajal's life found in diaries he purportedly wrote himself while incarcerated under the Inquisition. I must admit I have trouble believing he authored and concealed such work while under suspicion or imprisoned. However difficult to believe, it is one of the few published references and would warrant my coming back to this page at a later time and updating the article accordingly. Jyg (talk) 15:36, 6 June 2017 (UTC)