Talk:Luka Dončić/Archive 1

Current Club
Dončić has been drafted and his NBA rights belong to Dallas Mavericks. He has shown an inclination to play for them. That's OK. But he has not yet signed a contract, so his current club is still Real Madrid. There are tons of drafted players who did not end up playing for the club that held their NBA rights. So, please, stop trying to update his current club until he signs a contract with the Mavs.--Gorpik (talk) 12:02, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Awards
There was no reason to remove all the awards, especially giving the reason they all appeared in the article, because they do not actually all appear in the article. Also, to list everything only in the infobox can create an enormously long list, considering he's 19 and already has more awards than most players retire with.Bluesangrel (talk) 03:49, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, for a start, the section was completely unreferenced which would not have passed a GA review so an editor made the decision to remove the section which was agreed upon by the editor who had taken over the review. Plus, are youth awards even notable? Are we really listing awards at under-13 level? Kosack (talk) 04:47, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Not sure if the WP:WEIGHT is comparable to high school in the US, but LeBron_James lists some. I'd at least want them to be mentioned by an independent, reliable source in something other than a stats listing.—Bagumba (talk) 05:04, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Basketball really isn't my area of expertise, so in terms of standard layouts, I'm open to any consensus that can be reached. Football articles, which I mainly deal with, generally avoid the inclusion of youth awards however in American sports I'm aware that college and such is considered quite notable. However, I would say that the majority of LeBron's have actual articles to link to which would signify the notability of those awards where as none of the ones here actually do. Also the youngest I can see of LeBron's would appear to be at 16 years of age? The majority would seem to be older than that too. Kosack (talk) 05:54, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I won't get into US specifics here, as it's irrelevant to Doncic. My point is simply that there is not necessarily an age cutoff on awards. However, based on the above points that you and I have raised, the WP:ONUS is on editors to gain consensus to include.  We don't just include things because they are true.—Bagumba (talk) 13:50, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I agree with you completely. Assuming they can all be sourced, which was the rationale given for deletion in the first place, it comes down largely to notability of the awards which is quite questionable at those age levels. Kosack (talk) 14:22, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Listed Height
We have four different sources (ACB, EuroBasket, EuroLeague and Real Madrid) listing four different heights for Dončić. Besides, he is 19, he may well be still growing a bit. So just let it go, stop editing his height in the infobox. We'll soon have a fifth source (NBA), probably listing something different.--Gorpik (talk) 08:12, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * He's 6-8 but for some reason NBA lists him at 6-6, which is what his height was listed at in Europe at age 16. NBA has some very strange ways of listing heights for players from Europe. They often don't measure European players, then take their listed height from age 16, not their current height. Really odd, but they do it all the time. The 6-6 listing is obviously absolutely ridiculous though.Bluesangrel (talk) 02:19, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Why 6'8"? Most sources from last year list him at 6'7" (2.01m, if you prefer), including his previous club. Being 19, he may have grown a bit during the last year, as I said before; but I have seen no reliable sources listing him as 6'8".--Gorpik (talk) 06:47, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The infobox displays "Listed height", so it's pretty straight-forward to use what his current club lists, 6'6". This is the NBA project's practice per WP:NBAHEIGHT. It would be better to just expand on his height at Luka Dončić. This Star-Telegram article says he's usually listed at 6'7", but also mentions 6'8" and 6'9".  Height in sports mentions many reasons why listed NBA heights vary.—Bagumba (talk) 10:30, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The fact that he has so many different heights out there tells me that what goes in the "listed height" field should be his "listed height" with his current team, the Mavericks. His profile may be updated when the season starts, often some new measurements for the season come out around training camp. Rikster2 (talk) 12:02, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It's the same problem with Georgios Papagiannis, he was listed at 7-2 in Europe, and Greek federation even said they measured him at 7-2 1/4 barefoot, yet in NBA he was listed at 7-1, his height from high school. Never did they update it, and in fact listed him at 7-2 in summer league, but still 7-1 on the team page and nba.com page. He signed back in Europe, and immediately he is listed by his team at 7-2...yet still listed at "7-1 in shoes" by NBA. There are other such examples for European players, that they list some strange height like 2 inches shorter than the actual height. It's very strange and odd. Sometimes they do like With Giannis Antetokounmpo - he was measured at over 6-10 in Greece by his team, then at 6-11 by Greek federation after that...NBA came along and claimed he was 6-9 months after that but "still growing". Then he plays in Greece over the summer, listed at 6-10 barefoot...NBA still claims he was 6-9 "but growing", and then suddenly the next season he was listed at 6-11 in shoes by NBA. It's like some kind of strange marketing gimmick or something.Bluesangrel (talk) 03:56, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Strange indeed. Since it's difficult to determine which height is "right", it's consistent to use what their current team lists. If it's a big enough topic, explain it more in prose.—Bagumba (talk) 04:16, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Both Mavs website and NBA website list him at 6-7, so it should state that and I changed it to that on the article. However, in a media article it was stated the Mavs measured him at 6-8 at the start of their training camp. So again the NBA listings make no sense. Furthering the point about Papagiannis, EuroLeague stated he was measured at 7-3 and officially lists his height at 7-3, again what Greek federation had said 2 years ago, yet NBA still listed him at 7-1.Bluesangrel (talk) 20:34, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Details
The article is to detailed. You don't need to write about every game. Way too much. Kante4 (talk) 05:24, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Only his most notable games of the season are included, not every one. You can remove any details that you think aren't necessary. Runningibis (talk) 20:22, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Comparing Luka to european players that have nothing in common with him
I get the fact that most people can't get beyond the fact that Luka is european and white, but at least have better sourcing than articles that basically read, ''oh... slavic european name, he must be the reincarnation of slavic european players, all of them! Despite previous players playing in different positions and having different play styles.'' SWAGnificient (talk) 10:42, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Bio
Someone from Slovenia keeps deleting the fact that Luka Doncic is of Serbian origin. I have supported it with 4 references, so stop him from deceiving people. Luka is a Serb, playing for Slovenia, be happy with it and live with it. Deception will not lead you anywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Serbov1 (talk • contribs) 07:58, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Dončićevi baba i deda po ocu su sa Kosova, došli su u Sloveniju na rad gde se rodio njegov otac Saša. U karijeri je igrao za gotovo sve vodeće slovenačke klubove, jednu sezonu proveo je u Slogi iz Kraljeva, pokušao u Crvenoj zvezdi početkom 90-tih godina ali se vratio u Sloveniju gde je dugo igrao kao stranac uporkos činjenici da je rodjen u ovoj zemlji. Paternal grandparents of Luka Doncic are Serbs who came to Slovenia from Kosovo, where his father Saša was born. He was considered a foreigner in Slovenia for a long time, despite of being born in that country. So, obviously, his father is Serbian born in Slovenia! As a result- Luka too is of Serbian origin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Serbov1 (talk • contribs) 17:24, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Exactly, his grandparents from his father's side come from Serbia, as mentioned in the personal life section. And this is enough. On the other hand, there are people, where it makes sense to mention other countries in the first sentence, take for example Jakov Fak, where it is highly relevant that he is a Croatian-born Slovenian sportsperson. I hope that helps. --Tone 17:38, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I rearranged his "Personal life" section in what I believe is appropriate and projects a Neutral point of view, with everything being sourced and referenced (if someone disagrees then post your argument below): Dončić was born in Ljubljana, Slovenia, to Saša Dončić, a former professional basketball player and Slovenian international and Mirjam Poterbin, a hairdresser, former model and dancer, and owner of a prestigious beauty salon in Ljubljana's inner circle. He is of Serbian and Slovenian descent. His father's side of the family hails from the village of Biča, near Klina. Dončić's parents filed for divorce in 2008, with custody and legal guardianship being granted to his mother. His godfather is former NBA player Rasho Nesterović. Dončić is a fan of Red Star Belgrade basketball club. Regards, Ratipok (talk) 23:08, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a place for facts not feelings. All information should be presented factually and accurately and should not serve the agenda of the individual. Sources should be taken into account to form a true statement of luka's nationality. It is clear after research that Luka is not only of Serbian ethnicity but he speaks the language. He is close with the country and it is a well known fact the he is a Slovenian Serb. His father is undoubtedly also a Slovenian Serb. It should be changed the the appropriate state it was before where it said he was Slovenian and Serbian. Matejam14 (talk) 12:22, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Dončić was born in Slovenia to a Slovenian mother and a father who immigrated to Slovenia from what was then Serbia. How does that make Dončić a "Slovenian Serb"? He is quite simply a Slovenian with partly Serbian roots.--142.147.59.201 (talk) 03:07, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * As you said, "Wikipedia is a place for facts not feelings". And what you wrote afterwards is all about the feelings. :) IndexAccount (talk) 17:10, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Nationality is defined by the right to hold citizenship, thus, by definition, luka's nationality is Serbian as he was eligible to play for the Serbian national team. There is no negative to showing that he is Serbian. If there is for you then that should not get in the way of what is accurate. Returning his bio to its original state would be more accurate. Many before me have provided a lot more evidence as well — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matejam14 (talk • contribs) 23:35, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Born in Slovenia, plays for the Slovenian national team = Slovenian is correct. Kante4 (talk) 15:30, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Europe oriented
The article still too Europe oriented, with few information about his NBA stastics, where he is doing a very great rookie season 7zza9 (talk) 12:51, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Dončić has not yet completed a full season in the NBA. Let's wait at least for this season to end before we can provide meaningful statistics; whatever we write now will change in a week.--Gorpik (talk) 12:30, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2019
Doncić is a big fan of Red Star Belgrade and is fluent in both Serbian and Slovenian. Unlike most Slovenian family names that end with -ič, Donćić has a Serbian family name ending -ić, just like Goran and Zoran Dragić. Luka, however is personal about his religion unlike the Dragić brothers, who have openly said that they are Serbian Orthodox Christians. Chomsky14 (talk) 22:55, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Could you point to reliable sources for this? – Thjarkur (talk) 23:24, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * And what is the request? It is already stated in the article that Donćić's father is Serbian, so it is no surprise that his family name is Serbian too.--Gorpik (talk) 15:06, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2019
The Dončić family originates from Klina, SR Serbia (nowadays in Kosovo) before they moved to SR Slovenia. At the time, SR Serbia and SR Slovenia were constitutional republics of the SFR Yugoslavia. That's why Dončić's last name ends with the Serbian -ić and not with Slovenian -ič like the majority of Slovenian family names. Chomsky14 (talk) 03:44, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  General Ization Talk  03:58, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2019
change the picture to a more recent picture in a mavs uniform. Thagrunt (talk) 05:21, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, we utilise a strict criteria (see WP:F) in our images. We do not have a free image of Dončić in a Mavericks uniform. NiciVampireHeart 05:56, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Triple Double
We should add a section for the 3 Triple-doubles of Luka, like this one for Dirk

Triple-doubles

 * I don't think so and not sure the other one should excist aswell. Even if it does, Luka will get many more. Kante4 (talk) 14:16, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That type of individual game stat query is best left to the external link to basketball-reference.com. We generally don't list more than basic career and per season stats on bios.—Bagumba (talk) 12:50, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2019
Will like to add Luka's game against pistons on sophomore season as a game Восходящий сын (talk) 16:11, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 17:47, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Updated infobox picture
Is it possible to get a more recent photo, preferably from his years on the Dallas Mavericks? I feel the current photo(s) are a little outdated. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Dahadash251 (talk) 18:29, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , refer to WP:NBAIMAGE.—Bagumba (talk) 18:32, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear, your reason is "Luka's image should be in national team jersey or current NBA team jersey". But Wikipedia has not that type of policy. Dončić face is more visible with Real Madrid jersey photo. This is profile photo. Here is Dončić Dallas Mavericks jersey's photo but this isn't good resolution. Regards, Sakhalinio (talk) 22:34, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

NBA achievements
Thoughts on removing achievements that have been accomplished before by other people? Or, updating the section in general to streamline the section? I keep finding all these stats for Luka, but I'm not sure the best way to represent them. Dahadash251 (talk) 19:50, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 * For starters, the ones found by querying a stats database is WP:OR. If it was important, secondary sources would be analyzing it and mentioning it. Too many of those Nth person to reach some random stat line start sounding like WP:FANCRUFT and unbecoming of its WP:GA status.—Bagumba (talk) 06:54, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree. Reads more like a blog and a removal would not be a bad idea. Kante4 (talk) 11:00, 25 December 2020 (UTC)


 * ✅First player to reach something is fine, youngest player to do something is OK too; the rest are far too much.--Gorpik (talk) 18:59, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2021
"add 2021 playoff stats" 89.100.141.60 (talk) 09:09, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 13:04, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Dončić's last name pronunciation omitted
At the moment there is a pronunciation of Dončić's last name in English and Slovene/Slovenian (DončiČ), while ironically there isn't in Serbian, the spelling that he uses (DončiĆ).

The final letter in his last name ć exists in Serbian alphabet, but doesn't exist in Slovene/Slovenian alphabet, only the similar letter č.

Had he used the Slovene/Slovenian spelling such as Marko MiliČ, whose ethnic Serb father's last name is spelled MiliĆ in Serbian, an argument could be made for it being omitted, but as Dončić uses the Serbian spelling of his last name (which shows it is of importance to the subject in question), I think that has to be reflected in the article by adding the Serbian pronunciation. 79.101.181.242 (talk) 15:59, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

NBA achievements section
Is this a typical section for an NBA player article? I don’t see it on the articles for LeBron or Giannis for instance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:801:103:50a0:6478:2868:35df:598b (talk) 06:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks like a combination of WP:NOTDIARY, WP:FANCRUFT, and gratuitous WP:NOTSTATS.—Bagumba (talk) 07:00, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

British
British 130.105.168.72 (talk) 12:16, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Photo
This photo is ridiculously awkward. Can the old photo (File:Luka_Dončić_2021.jpg) be replaced? It has Luka with a neutral, natural expression and his typical Dallas jersey, rather than an All-Star jersey he's worn only once. 2603:8080:6100:40EA:4C17:3079:79B8:A179 (talk) 04:29, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I opted for File:Luka Doncic 2021 (cropped).jpg instead, as he's not looking down as much. The All-Star jersey would be fine for me, otherwise. We typically try to use the most recent picture.—Bagumba (talk) 04:43, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Much better than before. Thanks 2603:8080:6100:40EA:4C17:3079:79B8:A179 (talk) 05:00, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2022
I would like to change eight to nine in the 2022-23 season as he has now gone nine games in a row scoring 30+ points 27.99.13.187 (talk) 10:38, 9 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Actualcpscm (talk) 22:32, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Add considered one of the greatest players of all time
add this please its true 2A02:810D:BCBF:FD88:CAB:36C4:110:CEDC (talk) 09:00, 16 November 2022 (UTC)


 * You would need to cite reliable sources. —Bagumba (talk) 09:23, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Stathead as a source
Curious on what the others think of using Stathead as a source when putting statements on stats, as it seems some of the stats use this solely as a source, and not the typical third-party publications. Nintendoswitchfan (talk) 19:01, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2022
Luka Has become the 2nd youngest player in the NBA to hit 50 triple-doubles 71.14.41.142 (talk) 22:05, 19 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Its on NBA.com 71.14.41.142 (talk) 22:06, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  16:22, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Typo
"His 2018–19 Panini National Treasures basketball card sold for $4.6 million dollars in 2021." - writing both $ and dollars is redundant 157.131.100.73 (talk) 14:33, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

All-NBA First Team
Career highlights and awards section does not show his All-NBA First Team selections from 2019-2020 season until the 2022-2023 season. 174.216.1.15 (talk) 06:49, 22 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Are you referring to the infobox at the top of the page? It includes them: "4× All-NBA First Team (2020–2023)" —Bagumba (talk) 09:20, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I do see it there now, I may have conflated it with another Wiki article as I had multiple up. So all good, thanks for looking though! 174.216.1.15 (talk) 19:45, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2023
Luka got engaged on July 7th to his longtime girlfriend Anamaria Goltes. He announced it on his Instagram account: https://www.instagram.com/p/CuaNF3QI9Qd/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=a60af597-6317-4bc9-94d7-e977268a0c8d Sarumania13 (talk) 07:43, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅. Kante4 (talk) 14:50, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2023
This information should be added under Personal life: "In 2023, Dončić and his fiancée Anamaria Goltes welcomed their first child, a daughter named Gabriela." GrumpyKitten (talk) 22:22, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 00:26, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Please grow hands and look for sources yourself, it is hard to miss. 90.157.197.10 (talk) 09:41, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 * right some of this is common knowledge. you mods are super lame 174.251.65.0 (talk) 14:54, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Greatest PLAYERS of all time
We should update the intro. To say he's only one of the greatest "Euro" players of all time really undersells his achievements. Luka is one of the greatest basketball players ever, regardless of origin. I don't even think this really needs citing - he has basically every record for scoring at a player of his age 174.251.65.0 (talk) 14:50, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Everything needs to be cited. Kante4 (talk) 15:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * This is common knowledge dawg 2601:14D:8B00:6000:245C:1D65:E3BC:E4E2 (talk) 19:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC)