Talk:Luke Johnson (Mormon)

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Merging two articles: Original info on this page below. WBardwin 17:47, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Luke Samuel Johnson (1807-1861) (commonly known as Luke Johnson or Luke S. Johnson) was one of the original twelve members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. He participated in Zion's Camp. Lyman E. Johnson, another apostle. was his brother, and Orson Hyde, another apostle, was his brother-in-law. He left the church due to the Kirtland Safety Society, but later rejoined and settled in Utah.

Was taken by cholera in Zion's Camp, and rescued by Brigham Young on 26 June 1834.

15 February 1835 Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer, Martin Harris ordain Luke an apostle.

3 September 1837 "Cut off though privileged with conffesing and making satisfaction."

7 November 1837 elected to the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles at the General Assembly in Far West, Missouri.

13 April 1838 excommunicated in Far West, Missouri.

8 March 1846 rebaptized in Nauvoo by Orson Hyde.

Died 9 December 1861, in Salt Lake City, Utah at the home of his brother-in-law, Orson Hyde.

Quotation inclusion
Would like to include the following:

While there I (John D. Lee) met Luke Johnson (1846), one of the witnesses to the Book of Mormon. I had a curiosity to talk with him concerning the same. We took a walk down on the river bank. I asked him if the statement he signed about seeing the angel and the plates, was true. If he did see the plates from which the Book of Mormon was printed or translated. He said it was true. I then said, 'How is it that you have left the Church? If the angel appeared to you, and you saw the plates, how can you now live out of the Church? I understand you were one of the twelve apostles at the first organization of the Church?' 'I was one of the twelve,' said he, 'I have not denied the truth of the Book of Mormon. (John D. Lee, Mormonism Unveiled or the Life and Confessions of the Late Bishop John D. Lee, (St. Louis: Bryan, 1877) p. 184)

Any suggestions where to put it? New section?BOMC (talk) 03:00, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * In WP we generally avoid long quotes. Small quotes are usually OK. Normally we summarize the key points to be taken from the quote and then add a footnote to the source. In this case, I suggest simply saying something like: In 1877, John D. Lee reported that while excommunicated from the church, Johnson told him that he had "not denied the truth of the Book of Mormon." 

Middle initial
Luke's name is officially Luke Johnson with no middle initial. He only addressed himself as Luke Johnson during his lifetime as evidenced through correspondence with LDS Church leaders and government records that were kept while he was alive. Sometime after his death, an S was added as his middle initial in LDS publications without an explanation. Also, a gravestone was put in place during the 20th century at his burial site with the S included. After careful analysis by the LDS Church Historical Department, they have concluded that the middle initial is a fabrication. See sources and details at: https://history.lds.org/overlandtravels/pioneers/412/luke-johnson

For this reason, I ask that the url and the title for his wiki page be changed to "Luke Johnson (Latter-Day Saints)" in place of Luke S. Johnson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tnmbrown (talk • contribs) 20:20, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

One piece of data in favor of retaining the middle initial "S" is another source: Michael R Caldwell, The John Johnson Family of Hiram, Ohio: For He Is a Descendant of Joseph, p. 2, footnote 5 (Google Books). Caldwell says, "One source, however, indicates that Luke adopted the middle name of Samuel later in life and began signing his name as Luke S. Johnson." However, he does not list his source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathan000000 (talk • contribs) 08:19, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Comments moved from bottom of article
Correction: There is no evidence that Luke was ever excommunicated from the LDS Church (Mark Staker - Assistant Church Historian- in his book "Hearken O Ye People"). The referred to proceeding in Far West, Missouri (as recorded in the minutes of that proceeding - see The Joseph Smith Papers) was held to deal with the membership of Luke's brother, Lyman, and others. But Luke was still in Ohio and was not in any way part of that proceeding. His being re-baptized at a later date also does not confirm an excommunication from the Church. It was common practice at the time for members to be re-baptized as a reconfirmation of their commitment. The practice was finally ended by the Church's First Presidency in 1893. Further, Luke did not actually serve as a Bishop in Rush Valley but rather as a Branch President. There was not a Ward formed in Rush Valley (a Bishop is the leader of a Ward and a Branch President is leader of a smaller unit called a Branch) until several years after his death. See also "The John Johnson Family of Hiram, Ohio, For He Is A Descendant of Joseph" available online at Amazon.com and Barnesandnoble.com or can be previewed at Google Books https://books.google.com/books/about?id=5ymACwAAQBAJ — Preceding unsigned comment added by MRCaldwell (talk • contribs)

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