Talk:Lulu (singer)

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Mohammed cartoons
I've deleted the line about Lulu calling for the death of Muslims. Something that controversial needs references, and I couldn't see any other mention of it in Google. User:rojomoke 16:28, 14 Feb 2006 (UTC)

Seires
Is that a typo for series? AnonMoos 23:03, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Year of birth is incorrectly listed as 1938
IMDB lists her year of birth as 1948 -http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0525801/. The liner notes to the 1989 CD reissue of her album "Something to Shout About" also gives November 3rd 1948 as her date of birth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeichner (talk • contribs) 13:51, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Surname
Where does the name Kennedy-Cairns come from? Has she married again? Rojomoke (talk) 23:57, 17 May 2009 (UTC) Mother's maiden name I believe, at least a name from mother's family tree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.80.152 (talk) 19:21, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * According to her biography 'I Don't Want To Fight' she officially changed her name to Lulu Kennedy-Cairns in the early 2000's, adopting her mother's former family names.

4.15.125.35 (talk) 22:07, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

American English or British English?
I've noticed that there is a mixture of American and British spellings. Given that she's from the UK, the Brit spelling is likely more appropriate.

IMHO, they should be consistent, one style or the other. Pick one, and I can fix it all up. NavyVet6989 (talk) 06:30, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I think WP:ENGVAR and WP:TIES cover the points you're addressing, including consistency within an article. I agree that the Brit spelling is more appropriate and that's the one I would pick.  If you're willing to do the work to update the article,  that would be great.  One way or another it should be consistent.  Thanks. Rossrs (talk) 11:50, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, the article seems to use British date format (ie day month year) throughout, and that's more support, I guess, for using British spelling. Rossrs (talk) 11:51, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

1970s
'the BBC's highly rated review...' - means 'highly praised' OR 'attracted big audiences'? Not clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.99.186 (talk) 09:22, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Necessary line?
Wondering why the line on her father's drinking is included as relevant to the article as a whole? It seems tacked on without reason in my mind. Thoughts?THX1136 (talk) 15:24, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

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Name
When/why did Marie McDonald McLaughlin Lawrie receive the name "Lulu"? Certainly, this encyclopedic article should include this information. —2606:A000:1126:4CA:0:98F2:CFF6:1782 (talk) 06:32, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It seems it was a decision made by her manager Marion Massey: . Martinevans123 (talk) 07:08, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Although the information on that site seems credible, it probably wouldn't qualify as a WP:Reliable source (looks like a fansite). —2606:A000:1126:4CA:0:98F2:CFF6:1782 (talk) 07:38, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Tend to agree. I couldn't find anything else. One would expect to find something in the 2002 autobiography I Don't Want To Fight, perhaps? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:46, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * There's an excerpt from that book in this entry. Caztorp (talk) 10:43, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That'll do -- thanks! —2606:A000:1126:4CA:0:98F2:CFF6:1782 (talk) 19:59, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- added
 * Thanks for adding. Do you think some kind of explanation is needed for what "lulu" actually means, perhaps in a footnote? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:25, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Is "she's a real lulu" an Americanism? Its obvious to folks on this side of the pond. Or, maybe just a 60s pop-lingo thing? ("a real lulu" means "extra special and unique"). —2606:A000:1126:4CA:0:98F2:CFF6:1782 (talk) 20:40, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Here's one possible source for the origin, mentioning Lulu Hurst. But where did her name come from??  Martinevans123 (talk) 21:02, 23 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Merriam-Webster Dictionary: slang : one that is remarkable or wonderful — (I don't believe a detailed etymology would be needed) 2606:A000:1126:4CA:0:98F2:CFF6:1782 (talk) 21:12, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Wholly agree. Something like that looks quite appropriate. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:42, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- added —2606:A000:1126:4CA:0:98F2:CFF6:1782 (talk) 22:00, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think that's a big improvement. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * And, thank you for double-checking -- the passage was somewhat ambiguous and evidently I read it wrong ("Tony" & "Marion" are not gender-specific). —2606:A000:1126:4CA:0:98F2:CFF6:1782 (talk) 22:07, 24 June 2018 (UTC) . . . and, the only "Marion" that came to mind was Marion Morrison (aka, John Wayne)

TV episodes
Shouldn't her TV episodes be spun-off to a separate article? It seems like WP:Undue weight for this article, taking up a majority of space. Or, would collapsible tables be acceptable? —2606:A000:1126:4CA:0:98F2:CFF6:1782 (talk) 01:23, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Personal life?
Details of Lulu's personal and family life, such as her marriages, are currently just part of her career chronology. Is there any advantage in creating a "Personal life" section? I was looking to place, for example, a general reference to her brother Billy Lawrie as covered here and her ancestry as covered here. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:27, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Definateky needs personal life section like every other wiki Rustygecko (talk) 04:23, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Lulu
(Moved here from User talk:Binksternet.) There was nothing controversial about any of the edits I made to this page. I added a movie, corrected dates, put things in the right order and added notes on recordings. Nothing controversial. I am now going to reinsert everything you removed, as your edits have reverted to incorrect information. The corrections I made were to fix mistakes. Please do not revert these edits again under your personal and arbitrary view that they are "controversial" without discussing them first. If you do, I shall report your malicious editing. 2601:647:5803:9630:4114:5AAE:5F53:2E2A (talk) 06:28, 21 June 2020 (UTC)


 * You frequently add stuff that is unverifiable and unreferenced. Wikipedia has a couple of relevant policies which you might want to read at WP:Verifiability and WP:No original research. These are hard policies. Wikipedia contributors should not be writing from their own personal knowledge – should not be adding their own insights and analysis. Binksternet (talk) 06:49, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You are abusive in your tone and you are reverting factual corrections where the original article you seem determine to maintain was wrong. Dates, details, other notations were incorrect. I have now reported you for your malicious editing and your edit war. 2601:647:5803:9630:4114:5AAE:5F53:2E2A (talk) 06:55, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * My tone is stern but not abusive. To me it looks like you've been adding a lot of unreferenced stuff for a long time, along with some correctly referenced stuff, and some in-between hybrid edits where you cite a source but then draw your own conclusions and fold them in.
 * You wrote, These were the last recordings made for the Label as she was dropped after the sessions. Lulu was then without a recording contract for almost two years." What source are you summarizing? What does the source say?
 * You wrote that either Lulu or one of her songs (it's not clear) got "very positive reviews on Juke Box Jury", but this is not supported by a cited source. From what source did you draw the fact?
 * You wrote an analysis of Lulu's style and intent, getting into her motivation and reasoning to explain what she was doing during 1989–1992. But you didn't cite a source. What source were you looking at? Binksternet (talk) 07:39, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 22 June 2020
why has the fact she was married to maurice gibb not mentioned or associated acts the bee gees not? 86.185.103.99 (talk) 19:08, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

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Appearance on Masked Singer
Various non-humorous recent edits have been intermixed with serious attempts to document her appearance on The Masked Singer. In an attempt to fix them I seem to have removed all references. In any case, such a claim should be sourced. David Brooks (talk) 21:13, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Digital Spy. But plenty of others. Yes, she was dressed as a cake. 205.239.40.3 (talk) 21:19, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't doubt it, but various versions of the claim were not appropriate, and they were mixed with a DOB change. Fixed using Metro for source. David Brooks (talk) 21:27, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

1979 car accident
Lulu covers her 1979 car accident from page 194 of her 2002 autobiography I Don't Want to Fight. Other sources which cover it include udiscovermusic.com, Getty Images, Daily Mail, The Sun and The Times. She severed an artery in her head and shattered her knee, and was in hospital for a week. I think this is notable event in her life and should be mentioned. 205.239.40.3 (talk) 08:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)