Talk:Lunar Knights

Wikify
Wikified as part of the Wikification wikiproject! JubalHarshaw 18:53, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Fill this page with info. I'll do the text, but someone has to to the pics for me.

This article needs to have its name changed to simply "Lunar Knights", as no subtitle has been officially announced. Currently, all promotional logos released by Konami list the title as "Lunar Knights (Working Title)". Nitroid
 * Done. ~ Hibana 17:26, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Would whoever it is that continues to claim that Payton is the be-all and end-all of Konami information please cease editing the page? Numerous other sources have confirmed that this is indeed a Boktai game, and Payton himself stated that the Japanese game would have all sorts of references to the original GameBoy Advance series. Furthering that train of thought is the title in Japan: Bokura no Taiyou DS: Jango and Tabasa. All legitimate, media sources point to this as being Boktai, so stop saying that it is not.

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And to you, Payton has specifically said that this is not a Boktai title, despite the use of the "Bokura no Taiyo DS" title usage in Japan. This is generally what happened with "Metal Gear Ghost Babel" being renamed to "Metal Gear Solid" in North America, except in reverse. The Boktai series has been effectively canceled in leu of Lunar Knights, which he states is a reimagining of concepts forwarded by Boktai, rather than a direct continuation.

Need confirmation? http://news.gaminghorizon.com/media2/1148050320.4198.html (Nitroid)
 * Also, there is this: http://ds.ign.com/articles/708/708192p1.html Basilisk128 05:29, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Guess nobody read that last article.

"Ryan Payton: In Japan however we are calling it Boktai DS. Boktai is rebuilt, reborn and with the Nintendo DS we're starting from scratch.

IGN: So will the Japanese version maintain a lot of the references to the games?

Ryan Payton: Yeah it probably will."

Payton contradicts himself again!--LordHuffNPuff 22:05, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't neccesarilly see it as a contradiction. The concepts of Boktai are being reborn, but the story and namesake are being dropped. In that sense, it is both Boktai and not Boktai. Nitroid
 * This seems like speculation from you on what he meant. If they are calling it Boktai, they are treating it as a Boktai game. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Not really. Check out the first link I posted, he explains it pretty clearly. Nitroid
 * He's calling it Boktai, and he's saying that Boktai is "rebuilt". How can we not get that it's a Boktai title from that? - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:08, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Because he also calls it a brand new series. Hense, like I said, in that sense it is Boktai and it isn't.Nitroid
 * To assume what he meant is original research. We cannot contain that it is a brand new series, because he has stated that it is a new series, but that it is also Boktai reborn and they are calling it Boktai. That could just as easily mean "a new Boktai series". - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Again, it's just a matter of repeating myself, as you're both arguing and reiterating what I've already stated which is that it both is Boktai, and it isn't. Nitroid
 * That is original research. You can not state for a matter of fact that one statement is true, and what is not. Boktai is more popular in Japan, so how are we not to take his statement as "we're making it new for America, but keeping it as Boktai for people who care about Boktai"? - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

How is this original research? Look at what you *just wrote* and tell me how that is any different from what he originally said -- it's the same thing as saying "It is and is not Boktai", which is what Lunar Knights is essentially becoming. No offense, but I think that you're really overcomplicating this for the sake of argument. The issue has seemingly been resolved, so why continue this standstill debate? Nitroid

Boktai "cancelled"
Nitroid, I question that you "speak regularly" with Ryan, considering you said that there's a separate Boktai title in development on DS, and then later said that the series was cancelled. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:15, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

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I got some clarification on that recently, and it seems I misunderstood what he meant. Boktai DS was initially planned as a direct continuation of Boktai, however that idea was essentially dropped in leu of Lunar Knights. The title, however, is being kept as Bokura no Taiyou DS in order to ease Boktai fans into the new franchise. Nitroid

Continuity Reboot
Based on what everyone here has said, I'm guessing that this is a continuity reboot, which starts the story over from the beginning. Still, I'm kind of displeased that the American release will outright rename the characters. This game is Boktai in that it features the same characters and concept, however it is not part of the same series, technically making it a new game. So yes, this game both is Boktai and is not Boktai.

Interview
There is an interview with the producer at http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3153974 which may be useful for the article. -- ReyBrujo 19:34, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

So there's one thing I'm not quite understanding here...
Why does Japan get the original Django and Sabata we know and love, while English-speaking gamers only recieve these... pitiful... weird-looking... different... not-Django-and-Sabata characters? Erm... yeah. --Nintendorulez talk 19:57, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

In Japan, the boys are named Django and Sabata (they could be descendants, reincarnations, etc...); while in the USA (and everywhere else?) they'll be named Aaron and Lucian. That doesn't mean that the Japanese version has the same Django sprites and/or art (especially if you look at the gameplay videos released); it just means that in Japan they're using the same names as a way to tie in with the GBA series.

Lucian looks nearly nothing like Sabata - apart from the hair and his colour scheme. Aaron looks little like Django, apart from the hair and outfit. "Toasty" is not technically Otenko, though they are both probably Messenger(s) of the Sun in the same vein.

My point is, Japan gets the same characters we get, with names (and possibly some plot) that tie(s) in with the GBA series.--Kenjoki 05:43, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay. This game is completely unrelated to the original boktai series. The only reason names are being kept in Japan is due to Boktai's success there. It's solely for marketing reasons. For all purposes, these characters have nothing to do with the universe of the Boktai games whatsoever. Think of boktai as an inspiration for LK. The only character that looks exactly the same, after all, is Otenko/Toasty. Who isn't the same Otenko as in Boktai, because that's a different, unrelated series. Sound good? That's how Konami put it. More info: http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3153974 --LordHuffNPuff 19:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to not that I was wrong. At the time, I was right, but it was changed.  Just realized now I didn't admit my error here.--LordHuffNPuff 13:36, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Re-edit the whole thing?
Maybe it's just me, but I strongly believe that it would be a good idea for people who have played this game to edit this article so it'll be more detailed. Then maybe experienced Wikipedia users can revise the whole thing to make it more concisely detailed.

Just my opinion, though. (azuregore) Aymanazlan 00:52, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Heh, yeah, it would be good, but how many Wikipedia EN users have played it? Geohevy 00:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I have. Finished it three times, in fact.  The article just needs a plot section, which I'll supply (probably) once the English game comes out and I can get clarification on a few plot points.--LordHuffNPuff 20:19, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Just Fixing It Up

 * I just changed some grammatical errors, and tried to make it sound a little more encyclopedic. Geohevy 00:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

PETS!?!!
Why are the Terrenials called pets??!?! They're not pets, they are creatures with the same IQ as humans that accomply you in the game........ can we take off that term? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RollEXE (talk • contribs) 05:35, 1 February 2007 (UTC).

Overview
(azuregore)

I've done some more detail-adding to the Overview section of the LK article to give readers a more correct impression. However, it's still incomplete. I've tried my best to include as much detail as I could, but it still needs A LOT more revision. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.17.254.57 (talk) 18:52, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

As a total newbie, I came to this page to find out what is Lunar Knights. The entire article is useless, as after glancing over it a few times, I have no idea if Lunar Knight is a RPG, a FPS, a scroller (I came here via a link from the Nanostray page), or anything else. Knowing that "It begins a new story arc, and follows new protagonists and hence has also been marked as the beginning of a new series. ", is, IMHO, useless in the overview.82.230.65.68 23:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Rockman vs. RockMan
We've had a bit of a conflict on the terms of this capitalization conflict. It is always written in all caps on Japanese, or as 'Rock Man', in the case of the robot timeline. However, US sources use the name 'MegaMan' when speaking about the Network incarnation. For several reasons, 'RockMan' is correct. Initially, we observe that 'RockMan.EXE' is a computer program. EXE files can not have spaces in their names when being programmed (at least, that's the way it used to be. I'm not hip on modern conventions.)  Hence, the usual 'Rock Man' is changed to 'RockMan', a common convention in programming, where the CamelCase helps identify where spaces should be. RockMan is conventionally correct, and as Capcom localized it officially as MegaMan, there is indeed no reason to deny this, as it intentionally parallels real-life programming language.--LordHuffNPuff 01:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll give you the all-caps bit, but I have never seen "Rock Man" or "RockMan". What the US localization uses has no bearing. Meanwhile, it's definitely Rockman ZX. Can you at least show me something that uses "RockMan"? I mean, something besides you just insisting it's "RockMan"?—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 02:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think there are any instances of RockMan, because the network timeline always uses all caps, or simply the Japanese characters. Because we're really localizing Japanese, the way to do it is by looking at what Capcom HAS done with it's English work.  Namely, 'Mega Man' and 'MegaMan'.  It's a fairly simple process to just replace 'Mega' with 'Rock', and when we do so, you get 'Rock Man' and 'RockMan'.  The 'RockMan' is correct not only because of this already-established trend set by Capcom themselves, but because of the programming points brought up above.  Furthermore, we can examine Wiki convention, which uses 'Rock Man' when it's not using a literal translation (which would end up as something like 'rokkuman' anyway.  See Mega Man (video game) and check the development section.  --LordHuffNPuff 15:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The development section mentions nothing to support your argument--not even anything even pertaining to this argument. Also, your "replacement" argument makes no sense...it is never parsed Rock Man anywhere, which makes "RockMan" pointless even as "programming" language (does "Rockman.EXE" not work as well as "RockMan.EXE"? Similar names do not mean they follow the same conventions. Rockman=Mega Man≠Rock Man.
 * And what! Oh look! THANKS EXE - Rockman goes into a new generation. It's EXE and everything!—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 18:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well then, in light of this evidence, I shall go with you. That's the first time I've seen Japan not use all caps O_o --LordHuffNPuff 14:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

"Deleting" references to the Boktai series
I truly fail to see this, many references to the series are still present in the US version, many in the form of items. A Broken Dark Gun is recieved on the second playthrough, as well as an "Old Model" Solar Gun, which reminds me very well of Sabata and Django. You also recieve the Earth Maiden's Dress. A cursed red scarf is also present in the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.56.204.94 (talk) 03:47, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
 * Some, not all references were removed. Mostly character names.  Like 'Otenko'.  And 'Django',  and 'Sabata'.--LordHuffNPuff 15:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 03:11, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

??????????????????
why does it feel that theres not enough information has been put in the wikipedia of lunar knights?they say that aaron had a father who died for sacrifising himself to stop the vampires ? did Django die in some way in the past? and who was aarons mother that got jiggy with Django? its so confusing,is it ment for another thing promotional or its just for money and is lucian like a son to ? what the hell is going on?! it just doesnt roll with boktia not even for the story.it just goes point blank at the start and is no reference to anybody correcty!who are those other nights who worked with aarons father?and is sabata sabata ?or a child or something. theres this one time you talk to a retired knight and says implying that lucian is sabata???? whats going on!?!?!?!?!?!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.18.24.215 (talk) 05:29, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

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