Talk:Luo people

Please explain why the non-circumcision information is inappropriate
Can the person that keeps deleting the bit about the non practice of ritual circumcision among the luos explain why it is inappropriate for this entry? Thaths 20:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Were the 6 removed teeth milk teeth? golden bells, pomegranates, prunes &amp; prisms (talk) 15:26, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. I do not know about the Luo, but among other tribes in the region you see older people with their front teeth removed. It must have been done after their milk teeth were replaced with permanent ones. -- Thaths (talk) 22:24, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

CHULA
My concern or if I may put it right, I wonder where this word Jo-Chula came from. Does the writer take Abasuba for Jo-Chula? Or Sakwa? Well, Jo-Chula Waware, Warigu, Wakondo, Kadera, Wanyama. Where do they belong? How about Kamagambo? Where are the Alegos? Imbo? Usenge? Somebody just clarify if Abasuba is that big group. Thanks -- 220.67.222.154

Moving Prominent/Notable Luos into its own thing
The bulleted list of prominent/notable Luos was becoming long and unwieldy. I have created a Template:Notable Joluo template and moved the entire list to it. The advantage of the template is that it is easy to add it to the wiki entries on various prominent Joluo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thaths (talk • contribs) 17:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Johnny Oduya???? really? isnt he swedish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.255.46.89 (talk) 08:50, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

President
Shouldn't the saying that a Luo could become president of the US before Kenya be included? see BBC News 70.55.84.27 (talk) 11:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Why? Under what context? And in what words? Barack Obama's Luo-ness is tenuous. There is no indication that he is very bound by this ethnic/tribal identity. -- Thaths (talk) 17:48, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Under the context that a Luo has yet to become president of Kenya (the context that the saying was developed under, which has nothing to do with Obama. ) 76.66.192.6 (talk) 05:59, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As I pointed out earlier, there is little evidence that Barack Obama defines himself as a Luo. Furthermore, I do not see "Kenya has not had a Luo president" as adding anything significant to this article. What exact wording did you have in mind? -- Thaths (talk) 20:00, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As pointed out there is nothing to indicate that Obama's Luoness is significant enough part of his identity to warrant its use like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimemia Maina (talk • contribs) 21:14, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Obama is hardly a Luo. The article mentions an ironic gag.  A gag. DrLewisphd (talk) 19:41, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Kisumu
If anyone is interested, I was wondering whether we could work together to update the Kisumu page (before cleaning up the Nyanza province one) which currently reads like a travel brochure, which is very undeserving for a leading town in East Africa. If possible could you constructively help me make it better, I am hoping to get together a work group of contributers to help out so that it is something close to the Nairobi page. I will be working on this for the next week or two, if you have some spare time I will be glad if you could help me open up Kisumu to the world. Thanks!--Krator1 (talk) 23:00, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Please help cleaning the mess in the "colonial time" section
I know nothing about the subject, but the following text, which was trailing the 1st pararaph of "colonial time" section, makes no gramatical sense, is not understandable, and has no reference:


 * Falsified claims of British Troops led by Anthropologist C. W. Hobley. In all accounts and cirmustances paint a much more realistic day to day account were they on peaceful terms with any local peoples people they were amongst C. W. Hobley Falsified accounts state C. W. Hobley led an expedition against Sakwa, Seme and Uyoma locations in which 2,500 cattle and about 10,000 sheep and goats were captured. It is not very likely this was at all the case. This is a journey in which C. W. Hobley has written two extensive accounts of his travels, and his literature is of much more respectable rapport concerning his attitude of not just ethnic groups native to his assigned areas, but all races, colors and creeds were thought of as people of his worthiness of respecting for the fact that they were human beings, and in no sense in both his written literature was his attitude to harm or disrespect the many ethnic groups, missionaries, and/or slaves, that were not held under his authority. That the British had some dealings that like many of its kind, were tyrant and unjust acts on innocent people as they had done so frivolously throughout its notorious abuses of power, and such powers could likely continue in its future.One could have gotten storilines of a time before Hobley was in Kenya, and the war was actually being wrought upon its intent whether justly thout or not. However, It is important to see the peace was much higher among men on timelines of when he reached the efforts. Hobley's accounts are a much more detailed account of the guns they used not to capture but survive against carnivorous wildlife, in which groups also used as guns were also given to them to ward off Lions, Gators, and many other kinds of threats which until Hobley has a brush with many occurring instances, as he "was not so concerned about a terror, that was, very real indeed."

So I removed it from the article and pasted it here - whith the hope that someone knowledgeable will put back the relevant parts cleaned up - and add references. Hoping it helps! --Jacques de Selliers (talk) 21:05, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I think the whole section needs to be edited and repaired. The grammar is horrible; the spelling also. Loveonearth (talk) 15:47, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Agreed! Additionally, I feel there are assertions in the Colonial section and in the paragraph preceding it that represent a one-sided and not objective view. For example, "With the arrival of the Europeans, these sites were slowly vacated as colonial administration established peace in the region." Quite a colonial assumption.

Further down in the colonial times sections, we find, "It remains unclear whether Luo people westernised due to colonial pressure or they readily accepted aspects of western culture. Whether they readily accepted it or not, colonial pressure was most certainly the cause for westernisation. -Lyndsey MacPherson, 29 March, 2021  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C0:7000:B980:C89C:DC06:8BE9:5AC3 (talk) 15:23, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Why no mention of Tom Mboya anywhere in this entry on the Luo?
Five reasons for mentioning Mboya: 1. He was considered one of the most promising young Kenyans in government and a likely heir to Kenyatta. 2. He is a representative of the large Catholic Luo contingent. 3. He set up the scholarship fund that sent fellow Luo Barack Obama Sr. to the United States to study and therefore made it possible for him to be father to a future President (the U.S. Constitution still requires that a candidate for President must be a "natural-born" citizen, which probably means if one parent is not American that he must be born on U.S. soil, which Hawaii was). 4. Obama was from the same community as the Odinga family (Raila claims Barack Sr. and therefore President Obama as a blood cousin, which has been questioned, but they are surely cousins in the sense they must have common relatives from intermarriage in their community). 5. Mboya's assassination has surely not been forgotten by the Luo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by John Tepper Marlin (talk • contribs) 13:10, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

President Obama: photo in "Notable Luos", not on "List of prominent Luos or people of Luo descent". One or the other, please.
HowardJWilk (talk) 16:37, 30 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Obama is of Luo descent from his father's side that is not in dispute. Is it? If so please show the sources. If other ethnic groups are permitted to include those with only patrilineal descent as their members then the Luos (who also recognized patrilineal descent) should be allowed to do so as well. Point. Blank. Period. There is no special rule because someone of Luo descent happens to be the current President of the United States of America. There is no American exceptionalism recognized in this Luo article and I am appalled this is still being debated. This Americocentrism on Wikipedia needs to stop. Regards, Andajara120000 (talk) 03:12, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Luo People of Kenya and Tanzania
Notably missing are Luo women politicians and academics..... Grace Onyango (first female MP in Kenya), Grace Ogot, Millie Odhiambo etc 41.207.72.88 (talk) 10:40, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Rename article to Luo People
This article should follow the example set in other articles and be renamed Luo people as it includes anyone of full or partial Luo descent regardless if they are from Kenya or Tanzania.Patapsco913 (talk) 01:08, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

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Forced Circumcision
I came to this page after reading about the forced circumcisions and penile amputations that Luo men suffered. There are many articles on the topic and it is an important event in the history of gender and ethnicity based violence, but it isn’t mentioned at all on this page. I could add a section with references, but it seems pretty deliberate. Does anyone have an explanation for why it’s absent? 193.27.45.80 (talk) 09:32, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

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