Talk:Lupin III (character)

Deletion
I can't believe this page was deleted. To the user that deleted it, you need to undo that. There were no copyright violations in that article Lots of people worked hard on it and you just deleted it. You didn't even give people the chance to prove that it does not need to be deleted. 68.43.82.69 06:25, 15 February 2007

His size and weight
Size: 179 cm Weight: 63 kg Source: Japanese Wiki

His cigarettes
It's Gitanes. Let's not bother with the whole "zomg teh katakana dunt match exactly" discussion. It's Gitanes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.228.54.78 (talk) 18:11, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Lupin's "Intelligence"
Now, we understand that the series is a comedy right? The very first Lupin III movie (The Secret of Mamo) reveals why Lupin III is so "smart." In "Secret of Mamo," the villain of the story, Mamo, places Lupin on a machine that, through a computer monitor, reveal any person's thoughts. When Lupin's mind is analysed, all that you see there are lots of naked women, Zenigata, a comic book, and that type of candy that pops in your mouth. But, that's it, there's nothing else. The "revelation" of what is in Lupin's mind, is then commented on by Mamo who says; "Prince charming indeed! He has the soul of a shallow, dirty minded little cretin!"

Interested in seeing what lies in the deeper parts of his mind, Mamo then informs Fujiko; "Now lets proceed to the deepest core of his subconscious, to his dreams which are the very seat of a man's soul."

The monitor, comes out a total blank, at that point, Mamo begins to panic; "IMPOSSIBLE! IT CAN'T BE!!!  HE DOESN'T APPEAR TO DREAM THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE!!!  OH NO, ITS JUST.....A VOID!!!......ITS THE MENTAL CHARACTERISTIC OF EITHER A COMPLETE IDIOT, OR A GOD!!!!!"

Now, Lupin III's "intelligence" is never actually revealed HOWEVER, it is implied that the reason he's the best thief in the world, is because he's a lecherous perv, motivated by only one thing. That is where his "talent" and his "gifts" come from, see it is implied, Lupin III isn't in fact a genius, just the world's biggest pervert. Now, wikipedia readers, Lupin III fans remember, Lupin III is a comedy, you can't take it too seriously.

What the Mamo brain scan revealed, that Lupin III loves *cough* women's intimate parts so much, for the sake of acquiring female company *cough* *cough*, he'll go to any lengths, to acquire money, or valuables, he LOVES IT so much. So, why is Zenigata in there? Fear has nothing to do with it, or "affection," but Zenigata's tendency to "ruin everything." So, we see a nice bombardment of imagery, yup, very nice, nothing but women's boobs. Suddenly, Zenigata's image appears and it just RUINS it.

Long story short, Lupin III, in his most current incarnation, is the world's greatest thief just so he gets to screw Fujiko.

Not a genius, not a talent for solving the world's toughest security systems, Lupin III is simply, the world's most highly motivated pervert. Apparently Lupin III is so motivated by women's private parts, there is NOTHING he can't do.

So there you have it, wiki readers; please watch "The Secret of Mamo" again, and skip to the above mentioned scene.

This does not need to be included in the article, but I thought it should be in the discussion section. Because its comedy, e.g. warped Japanese humor, you have to look at it from that perspective and besides; only in Japan. Once again, only in Japan. Remember, Lupin III was made in Japan, so, there is "truth" to what I said!

67.148.120.126 (talk)stardingo747 —Preceding undated comment added 13:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC).

"cleanup-"
not sure how to clean this, but it's ridiculous:

"As in most manga/anime, the character is drawn with European features, leaving his nationality a mystery...Anime characters are neither drawn with "European" features or predominately "Japanese" features." Beginning and end of a single paragraph. Seems like editor who added the 'end' disagreed with the beginning but sucks at editing, but I'm at a loss as to which should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.129.35.16 (talk) 04:14, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Mixi following
While it may not be relevant, I came across an interesting fact that apparently Arsène Lupin III has a Celebrity Account on Mixi, the social networking site that most Japanese people use, which I assume that he has a lot followers. Though I don't have an account so I can't tell. AngelFire3423 (talk) 07:55, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup
There's far too much original research, fan speculation and not enough citations in the article. I'm not sure if the article has been tagged before, but it's overdue. ☆ Antoshi ☆ T 13:19, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

In just about every OVA of Lupin the 3rd, Lupin(the official one in Green Vs. Red) wears a Green Jacket. This is true in both The Return of The Magician and The Fuma Clan. During the Detective Conan special Lupin wears a green jacket during his flashback meeting with the Queen. I think it's fair to say the Green jacket is the dominant jacket color for Lupin's OVAs, as it is what he wears in all of them(note:not his TV specials or his movies, just his OVAs)129.63.238.67 (talk) 05:50, 28 September 2011 (UTC)someone passing by129.63.238.67 (talk) 05:50, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a reminder: article content on a fictional character should focus on details commented on by sources other than rabid fans. Does Lupin III have any impact on the general culture, or even just on the Anime community? If its just the "Lupin III" fan community that is in awe of his jacket color or cigarette brand, those facts may not be notable, unless the Lupin III fan culture is significant (outside the Lupin III community). Of course, im speaking to the deaf...Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:43, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Jacket Color?
As the previous discussion is from 2011, I've created a new section to further discussion and to ask: is the paragraph about "jacket color" original research? I'll tag it with citation needed for now. Nanophosis (talk) 15:40, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Correct first name - "Arsène" vs (none specified)
The article currently gives the character's full name as "Arsène Lupin III", with a minor footnote that he is typically referred to as "Lupin III". Looking at the source material, however, this seems to incorrectly represent the character — in Japanese his name is only given as "Lupin III", a mononym rather than an abbreviation.

Over the 50-plus years of manga and anime, I am unaware of any instance of the character identifying himself as "Arsène Lupin III" in Japanese media. The Japanese Wikipedia article is simply titled "Lupin III (fictional character)", noting that "he has never given "Arsene" as his first name in the work". In the 2015 video release of The Castle of Cagliostro, translator Shoko Oono and Lupin scholar Reed Nelson assert that "official [Japanese] animation dialogue and comic text never explicitly call him "Arsène Lupin the Third.""; Nelson's 2022 book 50 Animated Years of LUPIN THE 3rd (officially licensed by TMS Entertainment similarly only identifies the character as "Lupin III".

Lupin's divorce papers in Part 4 are simply signed "Lupin III". A class ranking in Lupin Zero only gives his name as "Lupin" while all his classmates have their full names printed.

The only counterexample given in the article is an onscreen arrest warrant from the first episode of Part 5, which lists his first name as "Arsène"; however, in the same scene the data broker viewing the warrant states that Lupin's real name is "unknown" and that there's "no proof" Arsène Lupin is his grandfather. Even after gathering a wealth of information on Lupin, the character never refers to him as "Arsène" during the whole series' run.

To my (quite limited) understanding, in Japan the practice of decendants having the same full name (e.g. Robert Griffin Sr. > Robert Griffin Jr. > Robert Griffin III) is not really done. Lupin referring to himself as "the grandson of "Arsène Lupin" or "the third-generation Arsène Lupin" therefore merely means that he is the third generation in the Lupin family to continue the practice of thievery, and not necessarily that he and his father share antecedent Arsène's first name. The aforementioned Japanese Wikipedia article similarly notes that western cultures handle generational names differently, leading to the assumption that Lupin III's first name must be Arsène in western localization.

Although the frequency of "Arsène" in dubs and localization is worth noting in this article, I don't think the article itself (or Wikipedia at large) should include a first name when referring Lupin III. A half-century of only "Lupin III" versus one onscreen article that even the character viewing it doesn't accept as fact is an imbalance of evidence that's hard to look past. Mashed Potate Jones (talk) 00:38, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The Tokyopop release of the original manga has an "Introduction page" at the start of the volumes that uses Arsène, but I'm pretty sure they never use the name in the actual manga. To me it seems that Arsène isn't commonly used (IDK about the anime dubs), but is just kinda assumed by English speakers and was added to this article title for that reason alone. I'd support a move to Lupin III (character) and just switch the footnote to say some English media give Arsène as his first name. Xfansd (talk) 18:50, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Good note, thanks for sharing. For what it's worth, a 2021 manga collection (by Seven Seas Entertainment) doesn't include "Arsène" and includes a statement by the Japanese editor that only calls the character "Lupin the Third". Mashed Potate Jones (talk) 19:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 20 March 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover)  The Night Watch     (talk)   15:49, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Arsène Lupin III → Lupin III (character) – "Arsène" is not given as the character's name in Japanese media, is not in the Japanese Wikipedia article's title, and has fallen out of use in localizations (see further rationale above), this move is therefore fitting with WP:COMMONNAME. "(character)" will disambiguate from Lupin the Third, the article for the media franchise. Mashed Potate Jones (talk) 05:40, 20 March 2023 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support - "Arsène" was never part of the common name. Xfansd (talk) 20:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nominator. Morgan695 (talk) 17:06, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nominator. Sarcataclysmal (talk) 00:50, 27 March 2023 (UTC)