Talk:Lustfaust

Old discussion
I am not certain that this band exists. Please confirm information, sources and links. They do not appear to be conclusive. Einstürzende Neubauten is a band - not a genre. Please correct this.


 * They don't exist, see this article in the Guardian. Also there is a short article on page 82 of The Wire issue 267.

I came across a similar issue. I think there real but they have done an art show or something with a guy named Jamie Sholvin, who does stuff that is fake but looks real, so there reality is in question. I got some good info from this site www.lustfaust.com.

I agree about Neubauten though - sloppy work guys.

I personally see nothing to indicate that this is a hoax. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 15:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Not a hoax maybe, but the category is still wrong. They are not a German musical group but part of a work of art. Paul Tracyundefined
 * They're both. They were a German group, and they were the basis for someone's art project. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 14:14, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

in response
hi, i'm murray ward and have been collecting lustfaust material with mike harte for 6 years now. They do exist and have consumed a large part of my life in the process.

i originated this stub and so if anybody has any questions or problems with the text feeel free to raise them with me.

i have also reverted the main text back to my original version. this is mainly to correct corax's edit which suggested that einsturzende neubauten were a style not a band. i don't want to ride rough shot over any issues he had with the original text though so perhaps we can sort out any problems together?

the article needs expanding but we have been very busy with the website so has had to wait. the sources should become more apparent then and should answer some questions.

as to jamie shovlin's involvement. i met him when i did the website for his naomi jelish project which was the 'hoax' project which has brough him a bad reputation. lustfaust however are not his project, mike and i have been collecting the archive and through jamie have several opportunities to display this band's legacy to a wider public than we could have hoped to achive without him. to be perfectly honest his reputation has been as much of a help as a hinderance but that's life i guess.

best murray

Hoax tag
I have removed the hoax tag from this article as Google searches prove that this isn't a hoax. I have added the Unreferenced tag as it lacks appropriate references. Thanks --Srikeit (Talk 01:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


 * See this article from the Daily Telegraph, which is subtitled "Big shoes, a bogus rock band and an endearing bus stop - Serena Davies finds a refreshing sense of humour in this year's Beck's Futures art prize". The article further states:


 * "Subtler and more sophisticated than Williams is Jamie Shovlin's memorabilia assemblage on the "legendary" 1970s German rock band Lustfaust. "Shovlin's interest is not in scientific demonstration or factual verisimilitude, but more in re/creating domains, worlds and ideologies…" the ICA tells us.


 * Basically, he's making it up, right down to the network of pages he's built on the internet. You can even listen to Lustfaust on My Space, the site that fostered Arctic Monkeys. The fact that one of their members was called "Hans Berger" offers a hint that a prank's involved, as does the band's predilection for using cement mixers on stage. But some highly imaginative artwork has gone into confusing us, as well as some lengthy storytelling.


 * Is it all a joke on the artworld vogue for cataloguing and referencing, where pieces can seem more like an academic research project than anything creative or entertaining? Quite possibly. It's also a wry comment on the cult of cool and the "underground"; and a more touching one on the teenage urge to hero-worship."


 * This article together with evidence from The Guardian and The Wire which both clearly state that it is a hoax should be enough to show that this band is fake The fact that the artist has created many pages on the internet should mean that a simple Google search does not "prove" anything.
 * Yup. Looks like I've been hoodwinked, too.  We should incorporate this into the article. --badlydrawnjeff talk 18:25, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hehe, I was almost giving up on this article when I came back and saw the hoax tag removed. I've put a picture of The Wire article on my website as it provides further information that could be used for the article. Sorry my scanner is broken, but the image is legible. I graduate next week so if you want to reference this please make a copy somewhere or type it out. -- nrl (for some reason I deleted my wikipedia account a while ago, I better recreate it)


 * Ok, here is another article from a reputable source: It's only mock 'n' roll but we like it, to quote the subtitle:
 * An exhibition about the cult German rockers Lustfaust left many people puzzled. That's because the band never existed. Alice Jones meets the man behind the myth
 * The article is an interview with the artist, and ends with:
 * Shovlin is thrilled to see the fruits of his labour take on a life of their own. "Now Lustfaust have everything a band would have - music, fans, websites. At the beginning I asked, 'What generates the identity of the band? What substantiates it physically?' All those elements, we now have. Regardless of beginning fictionally, they are now a band." Just don't expect to see them on Top of the Pops any time soon.
 * I don't have time at the moment but the article needs totally redone (or removed).--nrl 22:09, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Complete Rewrite
The article has now been completely rewritten to reflect Lustfaust's status as a notable hoax. Note that all the above comments refer to a previous version which described their career as fact. Iain99 14:24, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

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