Talk:Luten Bridge Company

NPOV
I question the neutrality of this statement:

"However long it remains above the Dan River, Mebane's Bridge will serve as a monument to industrial ambition, cronyism, a countryside in transition, Judge Parker's most famous opinion, and one of the most bizarre and heated moments in Rockingham County's history."

Opinions greatly appreciated.67.142.130.18 (talk) 03:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Since the recent changes to the article by Drmies on 03:14, 16 November 2009, the statement in question is now no longer in the article. I am marking the dispute as resolved. Once again, opinions greatly appreciated. MMS2013 (talk) 19:26, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed
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Knoxville, TN vs. York, PA vs. Little Rock, AR
According to Documents/AR-67_Fourche_LaFave_River_Bridge_(01160).pdf this HAER document, the Luten Bridge Company was incorporated in York, Pennsylvania in 1909. And a branch was opened by D.H. Daugherty, c.1920 in Little Rock, Arkansas.

According to the National Register's NRIS database, there are bridges attributed to "Luten Bridge Co.", one or more to "Luten Bridge Co. of Little Rock", and also one to "Luten Bridge Co. of Knoxville, TN". The article currently states "Luten Bridge Company was a bridge building company based in Knoxville, Tennessee ...", but I don't see specific sourcing for Knoxville being the location. -- do ncr  am  07:44, 4 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Further, editor SarekOfVulcan just removed "Putnam County Bridge No. 159, Co. Rd. 650 W. over Big Walnut Cr., Reelsville, IN (Luten Engineering Co.), NRHP-listed", with an edit summary that that firm name applies to an Indianapolis company. The relationship between all these branches or companies or spellings is not clear.  Maybe it is all one company, with different names at different times and for different branches.  SarekOfVulcan, could you please provide your information here. -- do  ncr  am  20:06, 4 June 2011 (UTC)


 * SarekOfVulcan, you appear to be engaging in edit warring at Luten arch article and perhaps also here. If you have some issue, please discuss civilly at Talk page, rather than communicate imperfectly by edits and edit summaries.  I accepted your removal of one slightly differently named item, but restored the list of works known to be works of Luten Bridge Company (most sourced to NRIS, one already in the article).  It hardly improves the article to remove all the works of the firm. -- do  ncr  am  20:32, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, Doncram, you are edit warring. Stop it. From one of the sources already provided, "The company was one of several in the country with the name “Luten Bridge Company,” all named after Daniel B. Luten, a professor of engineering at Purdue University who created and patented an arch-based design for reinforced concrete bridges." This is the Tennessee one. If you can't link the items to that particular company, don't add them.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:35, 4 June 2011 (UTC)


 * SarekOfVulcan, you have now twice removed a list of works attributed to "Luten Bridge Co." I restored it.  My opening a question at this discussion page was not with idea that there were multiple firms, it was with idea that the firm might not be headquartered in Knoxville.  You suggest something different.  Your edit summary characterizing my view, in the article, was wrong.  I edited the article in good faith and raised a different question than you understood, here.


 * I suggest we leave the list in, which is in fact attributed to Luten Bridge Company, and take some time to read up upon this. There is no urgency to this pretty obscure article I think;  the only possible urgency is given by your attention to following my edits and perhaps to raise further difficulty in wp:AN discussion that is open.


 * I suppose another alternative is that other editors bent on contention will descend. :( -- do ncr  am  20:43, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have a better idea. Stop running database reports and dropping them into articles without verifying the contents.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:04, 4 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll let you have that snide remark. But i was in good faith editing, I had no reason in advance to suspect any issue, i was simply building the long-standing article.  Thanks for pointing to the sentence (perhaps plagiarism to state without source, perhaps copyright violation to use such a long quote?), which i see is on page 11 out of 32-page article downloadable from SSRN here.


 * Well, given that there are apparently multiple companies of this name (or small variations), then some reorganization is needed, I think. I think the current article needs to be expanded to be about all of them, or moved to be an article about Luten Bridge Company of Knoxville, Tennessee.  I prefer the former, as the Knoxville one, notable, can be easily be covered in a section (the current article is short, no need IMO to split out the Tennessee one from a main article about all of them.


 * Also questionable in the article is "The firm built Luten arch and other types of bridges." which reflects fact that Arkansas 7/51 Bridge, perhaps or perhaps not built by the Knoxville company, is not a Luten arch bridge.


 * Sarek, could you answer my previous question about your Indianapolis info. -- do ncr  am  21:26, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Who's who in engineering, Volume 1. (And if you think that was stated without source, you need to work on your reading skills.)--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:32, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

NRHP-listed bridges removed from article


The firm built Luten arch and other types of bridges. Works of the firm include:
 * Arkansas 7/51 Bridge, a Pratt through truss bridge built in 1933, AR 7/51, Arkadelphia, AR (Luten Bridge Co.), NRHP-listed
 * Evansville-Dutch Mills Road Bridge, Co. Rd. 464, Dutch Mills, AR (Luten Bridge Co. of Little Rock), NRHP-listed
 * Fourche LaFave River Bridge, AR 7 over Fourche LaFave R., Nimrod, AR (Luten Bridge Company), NRHP-listed
 * Harp Creek Bridge, AR 7, over Harp Creek 	Jasper 	AR (Luten Bridge Co.), NRHP-listed
 * Highway B-29 Bridge, Cty. Rd. 623 over the Illinois River, Prairie Grove, AR (Luten Bridge Co.), NRHP-listed
 * Illinois River Bridge at Phillips Ford, Co. Rd. 848 over the Illinois River, Savoy, AR (Luten Bridge Co.), NRHP-listed
 * Marr's Creek Bridge, S. Bettis St., Pocahontas, AR (Luten Bridge Co.), NRHP-listed
 * Moores Creek Bridge, N. 2nd St. between Aves. B and C, Fort Pierce, FL (Luten Bridge Company), NRHP-listed
 * Putnam County Bridge No. 159, Co. Rd. 650 W. over Big Walnut Cr., Reelsville, IN (Luten Engineering Co.), NRHP-listed
 * Robinson Road Bridge of Washington County, Arkansas, built in 1926
 * Twin Bridges Historic District, Washington Co. Rd. 3412 across unnamed cr. and Old Washington Co. Rd. 11 across Baron Fork, Morrow, AR (Luten Bridge Company), NRHP-listed
 * Walland Bridge, Old Walland Rd. over Little River, Walland, TN (Luten Bridge Co.), NRHP-listed
 * White River Bridge at Elkins, Co. Rd. 44., Elkins, AR (Luten Bridge Co. of Knoxville, TN), NRHP-listed