Talk:Lydia Canaan/Archive 1

Copyright
Copyright Permission for Lydia Canaan Article

Hi there,

I hereby inform you that I have given you the Copyright Permission, as you required ("The contents of this website are available for modification and reuse under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License 3.0 and the GNU Free Documentation License, unversioned with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts."), published and posted on the site http://www.myspace.com/lydiacanaan today.

I sincerely hope that now finally all is in good order.

Many thanks, Thomas Vitins (Thomasvitins (talk) 14:00, 4 September 2009 (UTC))
 * 2009090210044836 refers. Stifle (talk) 11:44, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Reply: Facts
In response to your claim above I would like to make the following statement: As you will see from the facts below, the paragraph in question is a short and precise summary of the conditions on the ground Lydia Canaan had to face early on in her career.

Facts

- The people of Lebanon had to endure between 1975 and 1990 a savage and devastating war. As a teenager Lydia began her career, making concerts under very dangerous conditions, often with militias fighting in the neighborhood, defying death threats, like annonymous phone calls to her parents, that she will return in a bodybag, if she goes ahead with her gig in Tripoli...yet she just beefed up security, posting snipers on rooftops, with additional security around her and went on to perform. Or her participating in a Peace Concert on the Demarcation Line between East and West Beirut, unifying Muslim and Christian artists and fans, interrupting the bloody fighting for one night...

- As Lydia stated in an interview to a Dubai newspaper, indeed, her father threatened her to kick her out of the family, if she continues with her music, which she ignored...

- In this Middle Eastern country, with its conservative traditions and perceptions, especially about women, Lydia went on stage as a female pioneer pushing the boundries of music (performing Rock) and the dresscode with Rocker outfits...

Her attitude, success and personality gained her indeed much respect and admiration from her fans and the Lebanese population at large.

I believe, that theses facts speak for themselves, justifying my neutral and factual description of her in the disputed paragraph. Thomasvitins (talk) 16:05, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That somebody has "extraordinary courage and determination" is not a fact, but a subjective value judgment that requires not only assessing that courage and determination are behind her actions, but that this courage and determination is beyond the scope of ordinary people. Please see the neutrality policy. That "Lydia became a symbol of hope, peace and tolerance to the young generation" is an extraordinary claim that requires reliable sources to verify. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:16, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

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