Talk:Lydia Fairchild

Attention tag
This article deperately needs some work - please don't remove the tab until the article has been improved. ...en passant! 15:44, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Attention tag removed
Article has been tidied up, references found and dates included. I'm happy to say that the article has thus been improved.

- Jarich 01:54, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Hoax ???
This article seems likely to be a hoax. I can't find any other information about this in the Internet. [Except for an article at http://ace.mu.nu/archives/118606.php  which itself seems like a hoax]


 * It's definitely not a hoax, it's a scientific phenomenon called Chimera (genetics) in which fraternal twins fuse into one person, meaning that person has two sets of DNA. The modern ritual of DNA testing for everything from parenthood to crime investigation may turn up false positives or false negatives in the case of chimeras. --65.16.61.35 17:53, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * New Scientist has an article on chimerism from reading the article my perception is that numerous persons are chimeric female as a result of having different portions of their body with either one or the other of the mom's >< chromosomes plus the other paent's >< chromosome That is different than twins recombining to make an embryo I haven't read about Ms Fairchild's person to guess if its maternal chimerism or a niftier phenomenon


 * I'd like to think niftier I guess we'd have to ask her She or her mom might be a person with lower barriers to cloning as a result of a genetic absence of a screening process — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.65.20.176 (talk) 28 September 2006

And it only gave one source
Or two. I am confused by it. Also there are many disagreements between past and present tense--like a poorly written story.

Saw this on The Learning Chanel. Faichild did not take her case to court. According to the story on TLC she was pregnant with her third child and applied for government assistance. DNA tests were performed to determine the father. He was confirmed, but she was excluded as the mother. She was reported as being unable to find an attorney that would take the case. Just prior to the birth of the third child the court was prepared to rule against her and it sounded as if she was in danger of losing custody of her children. The court, with Lydia's cooperation, ordered a witness to the birth of the third child and immediate DNA testing. The third child was also excluded as her biological child. Interestingly, another woman with the last name Keegan was experiencing the same situation as two of her children and her husband were being tested as a match to donate here a kidney. Later as Keegan's situation was being unraveled her third child was DNA tested and showed to be a match. In addition, Keegan's siblings and her mother and father were tested and the two son's that do not match were confirmed to have the Keegan's DNA from their matriarchal grandmother and grandfather and they actually were shown to have to be a close match to Keegan's brother. In other words their DNA looks like a match between Keegan's brother and her husband.

The TLC story ended stating that Lydia was pregnant with a fourth child. She was not confirmed as a Chimera because they have not found the dual DNA in her body, but it is believed that she is a Chimera.


 * Both Fairchild and Keegan were the subjects of a Discovery Health Channel documentary titled "I am my own twin". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizzybody (talk • contribs) 22:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Room for improvement
I think that the information should be better researched and that the writing has to be improved. TLC's documentary isn't enough as a source. Otherwise, the info. about chimerism in WIkipedia should only point out that there were two cases in which this condition or phenomenon has challenged assumptions about DNA identification from both medical and legal perspectives and that it deserves more research.

65.23.248.61 18:14, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

New England Journal of Medicine Report
Watched I Am My Own Twin on 26-Dec. After noticing this discussion, did some searching and found the report mentioned in the tv program. The New England Journal of Medicine cited during the program concerns Karen Keegan's case (which is how Fairchild's lawyer learned of the case?). While Keegan's name isn't mentioned in this report, key details of the case do match (three sons, age 52, transplant). Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center cited in tv program and NEJM report.

Disputed Maternity Leading to Identification of Tetragametic Chimerism

Northanger 21:24, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Restored
I have restored this article as it is clearly not a hoax, as was one of the main reasons for deletion. This is to be the subject of a Five documentary shown on the 6th of March - no doubt it will attract attention then. I intend to improve the article as and when I can. violet/riga (t) 18:53, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Cashing in on
Suffering this kind of torture at the hand of state authorities is a bulletproof excuse to sue to the tune of a healthy million dollars or so, at least in the USA. Good for the lady, she will not have to apply for social welfare any more! Did she?

By the way, one of the most basic theorems of roman law is that the identity of the mother is always a given. Why was this principle violated in this US proceeding? Does not the USA observe the legal system, the first civilized legal system, originally established by the ancient roman empire? 81.0.68.145 22:21, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * "Does not the USA observe the legal system, the first civilized legal system, originally established by the ancient roman empire?"
 * No, it doesn't. Why the hell would it? 64.139.246.41 16:56, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe that what he or she means is if the United States follows the legal system (which is descended from the original system established by the Romans). 24.87.23.220 04:33, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The genetic tests were not done to question her being the mother, but to legally establish that the father was the father. When the tests came back the oddity was noticed, and then the government suspected the parents of being up to something.  I.E. they had not doubted her being the mother until tests "proved" she was not. —MJBurrage(T•C) 22:29, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Weak Abstain —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.0.208.241 (talk) 16:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC) Late to the discussion, but no, the United States does not observe the legal system established by the Roman Empire, it follows the legal system established by the ancient Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms, with some later borrowing from the Romans. See Civil Law and Common Law. 63.87.189.17 (talk) 19:59, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

were children returned?
The article does not state if her children were returned to her. If not, why not?--Auric (talk) 15:22, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

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