Talk:Lydia Thompson

Misuse of the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography
I know that it is quoted as a source but much of the text of this article is lifted word for word from the entry in the ODNB even down to the use of accented letters. Whilst it is expected that articles should have sources they shouldn't plagiarise the text except for quotes. The article really needs to be rewritten to remove this. For example (bold text shows the differences):

--DavidCane (talk) 21:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe that I have now re-written the DNB info to avoid any copyright issues. Please take a look and confirm or advise.  Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Only an administrator should remove the copyvio tag. I have moved your proposed changes to the sub-page Talk:Lydia Thompson/Temp in accordance with procedure, where they can be assessed to see if the text is now free of violations. I will have a look myself latter today.--DavidCane (talk) 00:25, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:54, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi folks, I'm having trouble here because I can't access the NDB article. Checking back through the history, it would seem that the article is the result of heteroglossia - so, unlikely to be a direct copy of the NDB article. The story of a life is organised chronologically; and therefore likely to share places and dates between the texts. There is also the issue of the obituaries (out of copyright) which could legitimately be the basis for both texts.
 * Normally I'd ask for structural changes which would encourage more diversity in the linking words between the phrases. This is a bit difficult to do in an article that is of necessity organised chronologically. Could I ask David to do his textual comparison again, and I'll make a final determination tomorrow - or, later tonight. I think David would also be looking here for less of a dependence on references from the NDB article - and the article would certainly benefit from a wider range of sources.
 * If we can agree that this sufficiently diverges from the NDB source, then I will restore the temporary version over the current version. I know the history of changes is lost - but most importantly, the version that raised the copyright issue should not appear in the history. Should someone else make a determination in the meantime, then I will gladly restore the temp version to someone's own user space for further work. HTH Kbthompson (talk) 18:13, 17 September 2008 (UTC) (no relation)
 * Sorry, I should have mentioned that you need to subscribe to the ODNB, although if you've got a library card you can usually use that to log-on. The recent changes do seem to have moved the article sufficiently away from the source text. --DavidCane (talk) 22:12, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, it's always a difficult call - particularly when we demand that articles be reliably sourced and then berate the authors for following what would be the traditional schema of any biography. It is, David, as you say, better to be safe than sorry. I know I've been caught out like that. Kbthompson (talk) 23:26, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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