Talk:Lynn Anderson

Top 10 Country Women and Gold Records, "Lynn Anderson Show"
Please source this information in the article. Lynn Anderson did come in as the #9 female vocalist of alltime in a 1996 Billboard reference book by Joel Whitburn but that was 11 years ago and it is highly possible that she has since been bumped from the top ten by several artists who has since emerged on the scene or have had major post-1995 success.

Also while I have read that Anderson has 17 gold records or so, I believe these are all from the recording of "Rose Garden" in various countries rather than different records. In America she has had a gold single (Rose Garden), platinum album (Rose Garden), and gold album (Greatest Hits) but I believe no other additional gold recordings, so this should be clarified in the article.

Greatest Hits Vol. 1 was indeed also certified Gold by the RIAA.

comment added by 209.124.227.44 (talk) 08:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

As of 2006, the most recent publication of Billboard's Top 10 Female Country Artists - for alltime record sales - in the 11 year span since 1996, she has moved from #9 to #10. You must remember, "Rose Garden" was THE biggest selling album by a female country artist from 1970 until 1997, until Shania Twain broke Lynn's long-standing "record".
 * RE. BILLBOARD TOP 10 COUNTRY WOMEN***

Secondly, "Rose Garden" went gold (and Platinum) in the U.S., as you stated, however, the only additional gold records for "RG" were from Japan, UK, British Columbia, Brazil, Germany, France. That does not constitute 17 gold albums. Her other albums which reached gold status are listed on her discography, and there are 17 in all (including the six from other countries for "RG").

Finally, the "Lynn Anderson Show" was a one time special in 1977, however, it WAS a MAJOR network special - CBS - with special guests Tina Turner and Eddie Rabbit. I can't remember, but I don't think the entry about her special implied it was an ongoing network show, it was just as I stated above .... a SPECIAL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.23.108.2 (talk) 13:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

You still have not specifically sourced the comment that Lynn Anderson remains one of the top ten alltime female country artists. It should be traceable to an exact issue date or book. I am not saying it's inaccurate (although that's possible given the success of Shania, Faith, Martina, and Trisha in the 1990's and 2000's since the first listing) but it needs to be confirmed.
 * FOLLOWUP: STILL PROBLEMS***

The other information is incorrect. Lynn Anderson has only two RIAA gold albums in America, "Rose Garden" and "Greatest Hits". This is easily verified by (A) Joel Whitburn's TOP COUNTRY ALBUMS 1964-1997 book which notes gold records and (B) RIAA's website itself which you can confirm the official American gold records of any star  - click on search database. Gold records for country music were quite rare pre-1980, the years of Anderson's greatest success. Many (probably most) number one BILLBOARD country albums of the period did not go gold, certainly albums that peaked at no. 41, 27, or 37 on the country chart did not. Gold award status should not be guessed at on a site that presumes to be accurate.

I have no idea how many gold records Lynn Anderson has worldwide, I will accept the claim of 17 by her publicists but still they would have to be mostly international records (which incidentally are often awarded for sales well under a million copies since America has a far greater record buying public) because she has two albums and one single that went gold in America and as well as the platinum album for further sales of the "Rose Garden" album. If she has only six international gold records as you say then her total is nine gold records and one platinum.

Lynn Anderson's television special was titled "Lynn Anderson's Country Welcome" and it WAS a syndicated program, not a network one. I am not positive but I believe it was produced by the people who made "Music Hall America", a Nashville variety hour syndicated around this time that was guest hosted on occasion by Anderson and was also a pilot for a similar syndicated series for Lynn. No doubt it aired on CBS channels in many markets (and NBC and ABC ones in others) but it was not produced by CBS. I know Robert Oermann claims in his country female vocalist book it was a CBS special but it was not (he also says Liz Anderson wrote "No Another Time" which she didn't). The fact that there is no listing for it on IMDB.com also strongly suggests it was a syndicated program as most network specials are listed. When it was made in 1977 Eddie Rabbitt in his first years of success and Tina Turner was newly trying to establish herself as a solo act (this was years before her 1980's comeback) so their presence may make it seem like a network show but at the time they were not the superstars they would become.

Vegas
Lynn Anderson was not the first female Country singer to headline her own show in Las Vegas. That goes to Patsy Cline in November 1962, when she became the first female Country Music singer to headline her own show in Las Vegas.

Nor was Lynn the first country singer to appear on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. Roy Clark and Jimmy Dean had both appeared on and even filled in for Carson as host. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.181.77.138 (talk) 16:42, 23 April 2019 (UTC) If you'll read - the operative word was first FEMALE country singer to appear on Johnny Carson. Reading is important prior to attempting to correct someone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.180.92.94 (talk) 13:19, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Unsourced material.
I've just removed the unsourced text in accordance with WP:BLP:


 * In the 1990s, Anderson was arrested for slapping her child in public. She was released on bond.


 * On May 3, 2006, Anderson was arrested with a DUI charge after she got into a traffic accident in New Mexico, due to drunk driving. However, she was later released on a bond by the police. Her previous cases were later dropped by the Taos, New Mexico court, as long as she did not commit any other offenses. Anderson spent two months in the Betty Ford Clinic for alcohol rehabilitation.

Does anyone know of any sources for these? Like I said, I've removed the text, but if someone can find reliable sources, it can be put back in. Acalamari 22:33, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, it is true she spent two months in the Betty Ford Clinic for alcohol rehabilitation. I am in contact with Lynn Anderson's fan club president via e-mail, who knows Anderson personally. I recently asked the president about this matter, and he stated that she indeed did spend those 2 months in the BFC. Dottiewest1fan 19:16, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO DOCUMENTATION THAT LYNN ANDERSON WAS ARRESTED FOR SLAPPING A CHILD. Absolutely NONE!


 * Before adding any information to this biographical article, please make sure that your commentary is FACTUAL and GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT. ***** Anything less is a disservice to the artist.
 * Seriously, what a shameful thing to say about Ms. Anderson. This website is not a tabloid or a place to spread rumors!!!!!!! Dottiewest1fan 19:16, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup tag
I added a tag because there are parts of this article that read like a fan site. A few examples: "'Rose Garden' was as big of a hit as anyone could have possibly had at the time, and she had it"; "one of its brightest stars was Lynn Anderson"; "Anderson has racked up an astonishing eight number one records". I also added the tag to the trivia section (see WP:TRIVIA); much of that section could be integrated into the article elsewhere. --Paul Erik 02:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Paul -- It was Country Music Historian Robert K. Oreman who stated "ROSE GARDEN was as big of a hit as anyone could have possibly had at the time, and she had it." I'm not entirely sure that sounds like something from a "fan site". It appears to be more factual than mere fan site fluff.

9/14/07

I WISH WHOMEVER IT IS THAT KEEPS UPDATING THIS ARTICLE ON (WHAT SEEMS LIKE) A BI-DAILY BASIS WOULD STOP. THIS PERSON APPARENTLY THINKS THEY'RE A PROFESSIONAL WRITER, HOWEVER, THEY REMOVE FACTUAL INFORMATION AND REPLACE IT WITH NONSENSE, NOT TO MENTION GRAMMATICAL AND SPELLING ERRORS GALORE! PLEASE STOP! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.23.108.2 (talk) 15:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Official Website
My question is what happened to Lynn Anderson's official website. Last time I looked at lynn-anderson.com it said that her website was coming soon. I remember there being one before that. Whatever happened to it? Can anyone tell me? Dottiewest1fan 15:29, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Source?
This is a segment from the article: "In 1992, she recorded a new studio album titled Cowboy's Sweetheart, released by Laselight Records. Emmylou Harris and Marty Stuart reluctantly appeared as guest performers on the album." How does the person submitting this know Harris' and Stuart's attitudes? I did not find confirmation in the source link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oakbranch8 (talk • contribs) 17:26, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

It was purely conjecture by someone who obviously had a personal axe to grind. They're both dear friends of Lynn Anderson's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.23.111.187 (talk) 16:40, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

The Tennesean is also reporting her death:  http://www.tennessean.com/story/entertainment/2015/07/31/rose-garden-singer-lynn-anderson-dies-67/30945327/

death
Grammy Awards tonight said she had died within the past year. Anyone want to confirm or add the details? 68.71.8.68 (talk) 03:46, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Does not appear to be true. No news, and still active on Twitter. Yworo (talk) 23:09, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * This website reports her death on July 31, 2015:    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.132.210.121 (talk) 18:50, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Also, the Tennesean:    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.132.210.121 (talk) 19:11, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

That was her mother, songwriter Liz Anderson, who died in 2011 and was included in the in memoriam section of the Grammy Awards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.23.111.187 (talk) 16:38, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Well it's been posted on her personal social media pages that she did in fact die, but can we please get a reliable news source to tag before editing the page?? JanderVK (talk) 22:28, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

In_the_news/Candidates
This article has been nominated as a recent death in the WP:ITN section of the front page. Please do not add unsourced material. μηδείς (talk) 18:28, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This is a really good idea. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:37, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Place of Birth
As her former manager of many years, I just hung up from a phone conversation with her father, Casey Anderson. He confirmed, Lynn Anderson was indeed born in Grand Forks, ND. Whomever is continuing to perpetuate the rumor of her having been born in Winnipeg, CANADA, please stop. Thank you. Michael Dempsey June 8, 2018

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Article clean up
Hello everyone. Per the tag associated with this page, I will be cleaning it up to meet up to current standards and guidelines. Please reach out if you have a suggestion or find anything that is not factually accurate. Thanks! ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 01:52, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

ChrisTofu11961 - Not necessary to flag the article, Chris. I'm not going to undo any of your work. I think you're doing an excellent job. I do hope you'll make it as "flowery" (and fairly accurate) as you did Crystal Gayle's (an obvious favorite). If I see any inaccuracies on Lynn Anderson's page, I'll merely point them out in the talk section and assume you will address them. If you purposely omit information or don't correct inaccuracies after being provided references, I'll professionally go further up the chain to get it corrected thru' Wikipedia. Again, flagging the article was unnecessary and actually silly. But I'll leave you with the control for now. I have a life outside of "W" and can't monitor it 24/7 but I'll check back. Additionally, I do donate quite a bit to Wikipedia each time their donation drive starts up, so I'm not going to have my factual knowledge disrespected by other contributors just because I was the agent of a now DEAD subject. Keep up the good work (seriously). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikiesmonkey (talk • contribs)
 * I did not flag this article. Somebody else did, hence the cleanup I am doing. I would appreciate a more professional tone in regards to the communication going on here. I am very concerned about your constant policing of this page and threatening tone towards me. It is clear you will not stop making me feel uncomfortable so unfortunately I am bringing this to the attention of administration. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 03:03, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

ChrisTofu11961 I'm referencing the flag of "a major contributor knows the subject." I apologize for the accusation if you're not the one who put that particular flag up. Secondly, If you feel you need to bring my request for facts & fairness to the attention of Wikipedia, by all means please do so. Lastly, let's just have an understanding that NO one person OWNS or CONTROLS Lynn Anderson's Wikipedia page - not me, and certainly not you. No response required. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikiesmonkey (talk • contribs) 11:36, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

ChrisTofu11961 The page, as a whole, looks very nice. I like that you included the audio of "Rose Garden." The only constructive criticism I have is not sure why you included that very dark photo from Billboard (1972). There are so many others, of far superior quality, that could be inserted in its place. It would be better left out if it's unavailable in better quality OR, as I stated, replaced with another from the era. Also, 'tho not a really big deal, there seems to be too much emphasis on reviews from albums that are 45+ years old. Don't think that's necessary (even if they're glowing reviews). Those would seem more appropriate and applicable to later, more current releases vs. those which are decades old. Again, just doesn't seem pertinent. May I assume you're planning to make mention of the headline in this Rolling Stone article, re. "Rose Garden" being the biggest selling album by a country-female artist for 27 years (based on Billboard charts)?? Here's the link to source that important fact. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-country/country-legend-lynn-anderson-dead-at-67-61702/  As you stated in Crystal Gayle's opening statement on her page, re. being one of the most successful crossover artists of the '70s/'80s, may I also assume in Lynn's opening, you'll be making similar reference. This Billboard article states she was one of the most DOMINATE female artists of the '70s, certainly deserving of being noted in the opening remarks. Here is the link for the Billboard article: https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/obituary/6649400/lynn-anderson-country-star-rose-garden-dead Also noteworthy, Lynn Anderson was the FIRST female artist (country) to headline & sellout world-famous Madison Square Garden in NYC (1974). This is sourced in the Tennessean Newspaper in the following link: https://www.tennessean.com/story/entertainment/music/2015/08/05/lynn-andersons-triumphs-talent-remembered-funeral/31127299/
 * Once again, I am not finished. Give me a chance to finish this work. Also, I cannot simply list every single solitary fact as it would overwhlem the page. Also this page is about the artist, not the song. If a reader wants to know more about "Rose Garden", they can simply go to her album page. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 03:00, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * There are not any recent reviews of her 1970s albums. It is important to cite the original reviews as readers will have an understanding of what the industry thought of her at the time. Again, this is about fact not about fluffing it up. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 03:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Since you feel it's a COI for ME to do the actual editing, for the sake of argument, we can work together (as was suggested by a neutral contributor) to ensure the important info - none of which is promo nor 'fluff' - but, rather, historical & factual gets included. I've provided the sourcing and assume you will add it to Lynn's page. We can work together to make Lynn's page all-inclusive, while still following the encyclopedia format required by Wikipedia. Again, you've worked diligently and, exempting the aforementioned ommissions, it's very well put together. Thanks. Mikiesmonkey
 * I am happy to do it that way. As for your image concern, images have to be creative commons. Those are the best images that I could find that fit the licensing agreement. That's about as good as it is going to get right now. Photos of that era have to be licensed properly. They cannot simply be saved and uploaded freely. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 03:00, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

ChrisTofu11961 Mary Bufwack and Robert K. Oermann commented on the song's legacy in their book Finding Their Voice: The History of Women in Country Music. "Her 'Rose Garden' of 1970 ushered in a decade of 'crossover' country women whose music reached out to the broader pop marketplace and dramatically expanded country music's national notoriety," they said. The last entry above: simply more sourced documentation that Lynn Anderson's "Rose Garden" "ushered in a decade of crossover country, largely paving the way for subsequent crossover artists: Crystal Gayle, Dolly Parton, etc.   Certainly noteworthy.  Again, I hope we can work together but, if you won't make the additions, I'll make them or bring in a neutral contributor to add the info.  Thanks.  Mikiesmonkey (talk) (UTC)
 * I am aware, thanks. Give me a chance to finish the article this week. I have been traveling over the weekend. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 02:13, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

ChrisTofu11961 Sounds good! I don't want to sound like a broken record by repeating myself but, as you're finishing the page this week - or however long it takes - I just think it's important to make some type of reference to her significant role as a female artist in '70s country (i.e. as Rolling Stone stated: her "Dominance" in '70s country) vs. just saying she's best known for "Rose Garden" and listing the number of hits she charted. You don't have to go into great detail in the opening sentences, but perhaps similar to the brief, factual statements you (or someone) made in the opening sentences on Crystal Gayle's page. As I stated, I'm willing to refrain from doing the actual editing myself and work together - with a fresh start, putting aside the previous back & forth banter. You've made vast improvements to the page, and I'm very appreciative of the time & effort you've obviously put forth. Again, I look forward to working together. Mikiesmonkey (talk) (UTC)

ChrisTofu11961 https://www.wideopencountry.com/lynn-anderson/  As a reference, please note the opening sentence or two in this article. Brief, but very inclusive article. Mikiesmonkey (talk) (UTC)
 * Thanks! I will read this. I plan to add a "legacy" section so this reference will be helpful for that. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 23:13, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

ChrisTofu11961 Your Legacy section is brief, yet all-inclusive and very well written. You really did your research and put the section together very nicely. Mikiesmonkey (talk) (UTC)
 * Thank you! Definitely quality over quantity for this section. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 12:56, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

ChrisTofu11961 Cool you included the filmography section. Wasn't sure if you're finished with it, but there are many more shows on which she appeared (several more variety shows, Mike Douglas, Merv Griffith, Dinah! (Dinah Shore), etc., etc.). If you need any assistance, I'll be glad to help. Mikiesmonkey (talk) (UTC)
 * I have to check Wikipedia's guidelines for filmographies, but I am almost certain that only notable works should be listed, not every single appearance. I'll take a look and see. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 02:36, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

ChrisTofu11961 I've read Lynn's article very carefully and, overall, you have put together a very nice representation. You have invested a lot of time and certainly done your due diligence.

Having said this, just wanted to make some constructive critique. There are a few places where the wording is either somewhat awkward and/or repetitive. It happens with the best of writers when writing in such volume. It would be easier to make the corrections myself vs. listing them individually (additionally, I would have to re-read the article again to catch each as I'm reading example). There should be no objections since I'm not changing the facts you've written. i.e. there's no dispute in the information you've already referenced vs. what I would correct. Thoughts?

Lastly, somebody added the photo of Lynn with the info "Anderson in 1971." That is a Chart Records publicity photo from 1967, so 1971 is incorrect. It may be labeled 1971 in the photos on file in Wiki - but it's mislabeled with the wrong year. 1971 was the "Rose Garden" era and that photo is a misrepresentation of her appearance in those years. Again, that is a Chart Records publicity photo from 1967.

As I stated before, I really do appreciate the long hours you've invested making Lynn's page largely accurate, detailed, and informative. Lots of work. Thank you. Mikiesmonkey (talk) (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind words. I am happy to make edits. However, I nominated the page to be a "good article." When this nomination occurs, editors come in and modify the wording. Within a month's time this should be occurring, so you will not have to worry. However, if you have a couple of easy-to-make suggestions, I can do those for now. To your other point, you are correct that publicity photo is from her time at Chart Records in the 60's. However, the photo itself was taken from a magazine article in Billboard from 1971. Therefore, the published date for that particular source is 1971. Going against that would be a copyright violation and we cannot have that. Instead, I can re-write the caption and say "A photo of Anderson in Billboard magazine, 1971." ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 02:21, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

ChrisTofu11961 Here are some of the edits I hope we can agree upon. When one Googles a name with which they may not be familiar, Wiki articles are among the first entries to appear and quite likely the one most clicked upon. No scientific study to back my assertion but, I'm willing to bet the casual viewer doesn't read beyond the opening 'summation' section. Thus, while I think it's important to have all the info included down in the weeds of the article for those who want to really learn about the subject, I also think the opening should be insightful enough to satisfy the curiosity of the casual viewer. Having stated this, I think just as with the Wiki articles on her contemporaries (Loretta, Tammy, Crystal Gayle, Dottie West, Connie Smith, etc.), Lynn's opening intro also warrants a descriptive sentence encapsulating her significance in country music. Therefore, I think it would be a great (and sourced) addition to the opening sentences if you weaved the very first sentence in the "LEGACY" section:  "Anderson has been widely regarded as one of country music's most significant female artists." into the opening of the article. As such, the "LEGACY" section can begin with what you currently have as the second sentence:  " According to Mary A. Bufwack and Robert K. Oermann, Anderson brought female artists to a new level in the 1970s" .... which is a perfect opening.

Secondly, in the opening paragraph where you write, "she's most remembered for her signature recording ROSE GARDEN.  Additionally, Anderson had four number-one singles and 18 top ten ......." There's no reference to ROSE GARDEN being a No.1 record, to precede the "additionally." i.e. just because it's a "signature song" and a hit doesn't necessarily mean it was a No. 1.  Jeannie Seely's signature song is "Don't Touch Me," which was not a No. 1 hit. It stalled at No. 2.  I just think there should be mention of ROSE GARDEN being a No.1 if you're going to follow it with "additionally." Hope that makes sense.

Thirdly, in the third section of the opening section that begins with "In 1970 ..... "   When describing RG, you've written "it became a MAJOR crossover hit, reaching MAJOR positions ...." Just awkward with two "MAJOR"s so closely together. Maybe just replace the latter with "reaching TOP positions on the Billboard blah ,blah, blah"Fourthly, in the last paragraph of the opening section, you have it as "Anderson continued releasing new album releases into the new millennium, such as 2004's The Bluegrass Sessions." This is also worded a bit awkwardly with repeated usage of words "releases" and "new" so closely together.

Finally,  I think it's just more respectful (professional) sounding to say she struggled with alcohol ADDICTION vs. Abuse. Other than these minor tweaks, once again, hats off to you for investing so much time and creating an awesome article on Lynn Anderson.

I can (and do) certainly appreciate the long hours you've invested. Glad we can work together on hopefully making it an award-winning article for you. Mikiesmonkey (talk) 12:35, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I made the changes you requested. I agree some wording was confusing so I tried to fix that. We need to be careful that there are no fluff words in the intro. Someone had written, "She is most remembered for her classic #1 hit "Rose Garden." The word "classic" should be not be used so subjectivetly as it was in the paragraph. I removed that, but let me know if you see anymore fluff words. I am not sure who may have added that but sometimes we have to be careful because people attempt to vandalize articles. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 19:28, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

ChrisTofu11961 I'd not seen the change using the word "classic" until you pointed it out and I looked at the history. Also didn't like the way that user had written "#1" ... I prefer number one be written out or as No.1. No idea who the user is or why they popped up. You've worded it all perfectly, and I thank you for working with me. Once again, I hope will receive the recognition you deserve for your work. Mikiesmonkey (talk) 30 August 2020 (UTC)