Talk:Mädchen Amick

Infobox
I removed the tag for this article needing an infobox. Someone added it at some point and it's filled in properly. Pinkadelica 04:22, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Early Life
"It is sometimes transliterated "Maedchen" in English."

This is a valid German spelling. The ¨ can be replaced by the letter "e" after the umlauted letter when the umlaut isn't used. ie ä = ae, ö = oe, ü = ue.

LewisR 18:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

No, it's no valid German spelling. It is often used if there are no umlauts but orthographic rules do not allow it. --88.76.206.145 06:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

German/Norwegian/Swedish?
Does anyone have a good source for that? All I could find are second-hand sources like AskMen or the IMDB, which are notoriously error-prone. Is there a first-hand source? Mad Jack 23:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

''In an interview by Rick Dees (www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-O38-nmNao) Mädchen states that both her parents are German and that she was given the name beacause it means "pretty, young maiden". It does, however, just mean "girl". The German pronunciation is nearer "med-khyen".''

LewisR 18:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

The German word is pronounced "med-chen" with "ch" as a voiceless palatal fricative like in "ich". The "d" is spoken in all german dialects I know. The pronounciation "MAY-chen" in the article can only belong to a special pronounciation of this specific english/american first name. It is no german pronounciation. --88.76.206.145 06:58, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I removed ", " since this is not the German pronounciation and thus a source for this specific pronounciation is necessary --88.77.4.86 (talk) 12:05, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

correct pronounciation:

[ˈmɛːtçən] -if you want to hear it, go to german wiktionarysite for Mädchen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.177.82.85 (talk) 12:50, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

umlaut
''The opening credits of Twin Peaks, Fire Walk With Me spell her name Mädchen.
 * she actually DOES NOT spell name with the umlaut.
 * she is NEVER credited using the umlaut.

LewisR 18:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)''

Proposal
Madchen's name and its origin should be separated. May be it is good to know the name is pronounced in American daily life and how the noun Mädchen is pronounced in Germany. There mus be a difference.

Proposal:

The name Madchen (pronounced [med-chen]) is taken from the German noun "Mädchen" (in German pronounced [mæ:t-çən] with voiceless and unaspirated t). The noun means "girl" is composed of "Maid/Magd" (maiden) and the diminutive suffix "-chen" which means "little". "Mädchen" is earlier an unmarried girl or young woman, today it is similiar to English "girl". "Mädchen" is not a name in German.

An American should check, if [med-chen] really is the way, Americans pronounce it. Because German A is prononced as Spanish A and German Ä is pronounced like English A, it would be best to spell the name Madchen. Maedchen would be misleading for Americans.

By Helen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.57.31.133 (talk) 00:38, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

File:Madchen Amick (Susan Bowles).jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion
I deleted the image as copyviolation Neozoon 22:09, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

2011 Image
I took this photo in 2011 at the set of Psych season 6: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M%C3%A4dchen_Amick.jpg and put it on the page. Mädchen found the image on the page and didn't like it. I received a phone call from Mädchen's manager asking me to remove this photo, and I consider that a polite thing to do. Somebody can put up a different image. If you keep putting the image back on the Wikipedia page, I'll have to remove it from the commons area. (Guess who's going to be receiving phone calls?) Thank you. Totoro33 (talk) 01:13, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry she is unhappy with the photo. We generally include an image of the subject whenever possible. This photo has been released under Creative Commons and is otherwise suitable. If she/her publicist/anyone else would like to release another photo we might use that.
 * I'm not sure what rights you feel you have, but you seem to misunderstand. Now that it has been released by the photographer (you), ANYONE is free to copy, distribute, transmit and adapt it as they see fit, so long as attribute it and apply the same license to the new work. You can't put the djinni back in the bottle or "unrelease" the photo. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 01:32, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not here discussing legalities with you, I'm discussing courtesies. She is a person, and would prefer that this photo not be on her Wikipedia page. I took the photo, and so feel somewhat obligated toward said courtesy. Yes, you're right, you can take the Commons photo and do whatever you want with it... and I'll get another phone call. I'm asking you to look beyond the "I'm a photographer with such-and-such rights so that's what I do" attitude, which is more than common these days. Totoro33 (talk) 02:14, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
 * We have had very similar discussions elsewhere. If a public figure doesn't like a freely licensed photo of them, the best way to remedy the situation is to release the rights on a "better" photo. If Amick doesn't like the photo we have, she might have a way of fixing that. If she would like to change the photo on most other sites, she's shit outta luck. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 00:33, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for making the world a sunshiny place.Totoro33 (talk) 02:47, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm here to build an encyclopedia. Sometimes it ain't all rainbows and puppydogs. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 03:04, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

New image
OTRS received a photo of Mädchen Amick. I see that the article has a photo. In my opinion, this one is better, and should be the one in the info box. (It may also be considered to use both.)

File:Mädchen Amick 2014.jpg

Can we get some feedback on which photo should be used in the infobox, and how, if at all, the other one should be used?-- S Philbrick (Talk)  18:19, 25 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I prefer the new one as well. Dismas |(talk) 18:25, 25 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I posted the above before reading the prior section, which doesn't change much, it is still the consensus of editors which determines the selection of photograph, but given the suggestion in the section above, namely that if she doesn't like the photo, one solution is to provide a replacement. She has done so, which means we would need a very good reason to not swap out the images. (If the replacement was clearly a bad photo, that might be a reason, but it is a high quality photo.)-- S Philbrick (Talk)  18:27, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Two people is probably a bit light to call it a consensus, but I'm going to be bold and swap the images. If it turns out that a consensus is opposed, we can undo.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  18:38, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

I had been contacted regarding this and essentially said what has been said here (see my talk page). IMO, the new photo is clearly superior to the prior photo, but that isn't saying much. I can, however, easily see possible future photos that would be more, um, "objective", I guess. This photo is rather heavily processed. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 03:06, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks guys. I'm happy to see a different photo up. Totoro33 (talk) 07:25, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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Music Video Appearances
Trivial? Fluff? Not sure myself, so , I'll drop the info. here, and if someone deems it important enough … freely include it. Madchen appears in at least two music videos. She is one of the back-up trio in the "Don't Be Cruel" video by Cheap Trick ( Not actually singing. ), and appears as "Baby" in the Dweezil Zappa video for "My Guitar Wants To Kill Yer Mama". 75.104.174.42 (talk) 00:33, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

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