Talk:M. S. Subbulakshmi/Archive 1

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This article needs to be brushed up. The language at certain sections of the article is colloquial.Splashprince 13:00, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Mahatma (Great soul) is a well accepted title for Mohandas Gandhi and I think it is not breaching the NPOV by calling him Mahatma, since it has become his name more than his title, in India. - Kesava

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The correct (or more popular) spelling of this singer is MS Subbulakshmi and NOT Subhalakshmi. - Kesava 18:35, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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There was a smaller article posted separately under the title "M S Subbulakshmi" (i.e. without the periods). I've changed it to redirect to this one. As far as I can tell, all the same information is included in the current article except for a sentence about her mother, and the current article is certainly much better style- and grammar-wise. Here's the old text; I'll leave it up to someone who knows the subject to decide if you need any of this. --Hob 03:19, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Smt M.S. Subbulakshmi popularly known as MS, who is the first woman recipient of the 'Sangita Kalanidhi' title, made key contribution in popularising Carnatic music in North India.


 * Sangeethakalanidhi Smt M.S. Subbulakshmi was born in Madurai on September 16th, 1916. Little Kunjamma was born in a musical family. Her mother Shanmugavadivu, a veena artist, was her guru. Her husband Late Sadasivam was her friend, philosopher and guide who raised her to this peak of success.


 * Her Golden Voice is heard almost in every temple in the form of Suprabhatams and other musical pieces. Her voice impressed Mahatma Gandhi so much that he requested her to sing his favourite bhajan for him on an occasion.


 * She was awarded the Bharat Ratna, which is considered to be India's greatest award, on Jan 14, 1998. She had received several awards like `Isai Vani', `Sangeet Kalanidhi' at the state level, `Padma Bhushan', `Padma Vibhushan', the Ramon Magsaysay award at national and international levels.

Correcting the name
The name should be M. S. Subbulakshmi with a space following each stop, as that is standard English practice. Currently there is a redirect at that place. Imc 19:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

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Transliteration of her name
I've removed the transliteration madhurai caṇmugavadivu cubbulaṭcmi as it is not a standard transliteration, and the system is not given. I suggest that the IAST transliteration may be madurei ṣanmugavidivu subbulakṣmi. But I'm not certain of this. Imc 15:42, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

(Also note that at her name is given with what I think may be a patronym, rather than the usual matronym. I've not seen this before. Imc 15:47, 15 October 2007 (UTC))

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Collecting Sources
I am collecting sources here with an idea of expanding the article later...

--Sodabottle (talk) 19:15, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Women role models: some eminent women of contemporary India - Gouri Srivastava
 * Anthropologist Among the Marxists: And Other Essays - Ramachandra Guha
 * obituary1
 * some info
 * This one says she was born into devadasi community?
 * Brittanica India
 * Good biographical data
 * looks like a children's book, but more info
 * biography review
 * amanda weidman
 * I've been struggling to find some "true" bios instead of many of these "alsos" that I've found so far. This article is on my GA endeavor list right now too. I'll add my list here soon. I have some clean sources that I intend on using listed -- here
 * oh ok. The frontline article seems good. Gowri ramnarayan is kalki's grand daughter. Given sadasivam and kalki's association, i think she could be considered as a good source--Sodabottle (talk) 19:54, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Carnatic/Karnataka
The Magsaysay award citation happens to read "leading exponent of classical and semi-classical songs in the Karnataka tradition of South India". Now, while the usual English spelling these days is "Carnatic music", the version in the citation is not, strictly speaking, a mistake; after all, in most Indian languages it is still called something like that, and "Carnatica" is merely an overly Latinized spelling. More importantly and generally, "mistake" or not, that we should not change a direct quote is one of the most important rules of all writing. We can acknowledge that we notice a mistake with [sic] or similar, or point out our change in some other way, or simply resort to paraphrase, but to silently change a quote and not indicate it is wrong! (Sometimes popular books replace archaic English spellings with modern ones; I think even this ought not be done without at least a remark.) Shreevatsa (talk) 05:48, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually Spiff is concerned about Naadapriya's (a persistent sockmaster) to claim everything for Karnataka the state. Naadapriya and his IPs edit war in a lot of articles, claiming everything - from Hogenakkal to Carnatic Music to Karnataka (the state). It is better to use a [Sic] with the original spelling. --Sodabottle (talk) 07:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Surely it doesn't matter who does something; we are here to work on the text itself. :-) It is fine to add a [sic] or remove the quote, but not to give up good textual practice just because of someone's intentions. (FWIW, from what I gather, Carnatic music was so named because of its origins with Purandara Dasa and royal patronage in Karnataka, until the 19th century when with the Trinity of composers etc., the centre kind-of shifted to Madras, and now it's popular in several states. Either way, both spellings refer to Karnataka so misnomer-or-not has no bearing on a matter of spelling, and in any case, to return to my old broken record, we have to use what the source uses.) Shreevatsa (talk) 07:25, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


 * There's a bigger issue behind this with Naadapriya that Shreevatsa is probably not aware of (can check with Abecedare /me /Yellowmonkey /Ncmvocalist etc), and this particular issue has been at a couple of RfCs etc finally leading to the ban (all before my time on wiki). All this source mining to get a particular spelling is part of his grand scheme around here. This citation issue itself was part of that. I'm going to leave it for now because of Shreevatsa's involvement, but anything from Naadapriya is instant-revert material per our standard policy. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  07:56, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


 * True, I'm not aware of the issue, but (call me naïve) I think every edit, if considered, should be judged on its own grounds, no matter how reliable or unreliable an editor it comes from. (Only thanks to your comments, I just became aware of the policy of automatically reverting, but it makes sense, to avoid having to waste time thinking about edits.) If the source is problematic, we can simply remove it. Shreevatsa (talk) 08:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

TJS George's bok
As far as i remember TJS George's book does not have any assertion that MS has kannada lineage. The IP is using it as a false source.--Sodabottle (talk) 06:13, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The IP is Naadapriya, so this qualifies for blanket reverts. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  09:16, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from VanDiyaDevan242, 4 October 2010
First external link seems to be a spam link. Please replace first link in external links " A Tribute to MS" with http://www.msstribute.org/

VanDiyaDevan242 (talk) 11:18, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Thanks, Stickee (talk)  11:54, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 April 2012
Please change the below bolded word to the word Carnatic from the below sentence which gives meaning. "Exacting purists acknowledge Srimati M. S. Subbulakshmi as the leading exponent of classical and semi-classical songs in the Karnataka tradition of South India."

Kanakasaila (talk) 11:58, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: It's a direct quote from the source, we can't change it. — Bility (talk) 15:47, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 June 2012
It should be "Carnatic Tradition", not "Karnataka Tradition". Please correct them.

Kaki shan (talk) 16:54, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ❌ "Karnataka Tradition" is used on both cited references, and . — Hue  Sat  Lum  17:20, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 October 2012
Please eliminate the description of Ramon Magsaysay Award as Asia's highest civilian award.

Anandblizzard (talk) 03:33, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: I've changed it to "often considered Asia's Nobel Prize" with a reference. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:59, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

The account of her life is incomplete
The article lacks a section that gives information about her final years and death. The account of her life ends with "After the death of her husband Kalki Sadasivam in 1997, she stopped all her public performances." The only mentions of her death are in the introductory sentence, in brackets, and the summary below her picture. The summary also notes that her active years are between 1930 and 2004, yet the article only lists her exploits till 1997. Thank you for considering this. Zephyrstraint (talk) 07:24, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 September 2013
edit in external links Google Celebrates The birthday of M. S. Subbulakshmi with it special doodle :-

Cvpatelpatel (talk) 19:06, 15 September 2013 (UTC)


 * In my personal opinion, this item does not warrant an inclusion this article. It is definitely a good recognition, but it is not from an authority in her line. It is a one-day event. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 06:21, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Celestra (talk) 17:24, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 September 2013
Please change "Karnataka" in the first paragrapgh to "Carnatic" because Karnataka denotes a state in India not the tradition that it is meant to acknowledge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnatic_music

Rbhuvan14 (talk) 08:43, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.. Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 17:26, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Untitled
The opening para ends with "M. S. Subbulakshmi as the leading exponent of classical and semi-classical songs in the Karnataka tradition of South India.". Well, "Karnataka" is the name of a state in South India, while the tradition is called "Carnatic". So, the correct version should read as: "M. S. Subbulakshmi as the leading exponent of classical and semi-classical songs in the Carnatic tradition of South India."

Obviously, the state "Karnataka" cannot have anything to do with MS who was born in the state of TamilNadu, except that the "Carnatic" style of singing is predominant in all 4 states of South India.

Feltra (talk) 06:43, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree that the word "karnataka' in South Indian Music that existed since 14th century is not directly related to state name 'Karanataka' that came into use in 1970s. It does not mean to say that the original name 'Karnataka Music' as stated in the citation should change. 'Karnataka' was the word used by the award commitee. Therefore it has to stay.Naayar (talk) 06:00, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 September 2013
Anyone can you please add below into external link section?
 * [ http://www.timesofbook.com/2013/08/m-s-subbulakshmis-documentary.html M S Subbulakshmi's Documentary]

John.bosco.henry (talk) 10:49, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ --     L o g     X     18:22, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I've removed it. It's a blog, and one spammed by John.bosco.henry and many ip's: spam report --Ronz (talk) 17:35, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2014
Need to make edits mostly related to spelling mistakes or name mis-spells. Example: Mazhavarayanendal Subbarama Bhavathar to Mazhavarayanendal Subbarama Bhagavathar. http://maduraimani.tripod.com/id1.html has the correct name.

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It's Carnatic and not Karnataka.
There are two major styles of classical music in India - Hindustani and Carnatic. M.S.Subbulakshmi's music belongs to the Carnatic tradition of Indian classical music. Carnatic music has nothing to do with the state of Karnataka. So please do correct it.

183.83.203.91 (talk) 17:32, 14 July 2014 (UTC) Umesh Achanta.

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2014
Please change "Dakshinamurthy Pillai on the mriganga" to "Dakshinamurthy Pillai on the mridangam"

Thejas.jayanna (talk) 00:14, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Stickee (talk) 01:23, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

ty qyuw rjqy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.215.141.45 (talk) 11:26, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2016
Sangeetha Kalanidhi literally means "Treasure of the art of music", not "Treasure _chest_ of music")

Arunmk95 (talk) 04:23, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Good catch, I've removed the translation as it's unnecessary given that the title is wikilinked and explained properly there. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  07:24, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Community
Shri. M S Subbulakshmi was from highly valued Devadasi community (present day it named as Suryabalija in Andhra Pradesh). She with her innate talent has overcome all the hurdles and became face of Indian Classical Music. She was divine singer and had been awarded Indian Highest Civilian Award "Bharat Ratna" for her outstanding work in Carnatic Music. She is icon and role model. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.227.210.221 (talk) 17:23, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Community
Shri. M S Subbulakshmi was from highly valued Devadasi community (present day it named as Suryabalija in Andhra Pradesh). She with her innate talent has overcome all the hurdles and became face of Indian Classical Music. She was divine singer and had been awarded Indian Highest Civilian Award "Bharat Ratna" for her outstanding work in Carnatic Music. She is icon and role model. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.227.210.221 (talk) 17:26, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Community
Shri. M S Subbulakshmi was from highly valued Devadasi community (present day it named as Suryabalija in Andhra Pradesh). She with her innate talent has overcome all the hurdles and became face of Indian Classical Music. She was divine singer and had been awarded Indian Highest Civilian Award "Bharat Ratna" for her outstanding work in Carnatic Music. She is icon and role model. 220.227.210.221 (talk) 09:34, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Community
Shri. M S Subbulakshmi was from highly valued Devadasi community (present day it named as Suryabalija in Andhra Pradesh). She with her innate talent has overcome all the hurdles and became face of Indian Classical Music. She was divine singer and had been awarded Indian Highest Civilian Award "Bharat Ratna" for her outstanding work in Carnatic Music. She is icon and role model. 220.227.210.221 (talk) 09:36, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2017

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Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2017
In July 1936, Sadasivam met M.S. Subbulakshmi, who subscribed to his ideological and political views. The two eventually married on 10 July 1940 after his first wife died. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalki_Sadasivam 119.82.96.18 (talk) 09:00, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Per WP:CIRC, that source is not acceptable to back up your proposed changes. Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball! 09:02, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2018
Change the first photo of ms SUBBULAKSHMI- Its a very old photo Srivatsanprakash (talk) 12:03, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2018
Edit request concerns adding a category tag at the bottom of the page: Category:Women artists from Tamil Nadu since this page is missing from that list. Swasays (talk) 10:28, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Added the category. Also changed the category link above to ensure talk page is not included in the category. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 12:56, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Insert hyperlink to wikipedia entry Maithreem Bhajata
In the third last line of the page, please Insert hyperlink to Wikipedia article on the song sung by MSS Arunachalam Subramaniam (talk) 08:52, 2 July 2019 (UTC)Arunachalam Subramaniam

somebody better remix her songs LOL.hilarious voice — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.39.81.213 (talk) 16:45, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2021
The wiki page on M S Subbulakshmi refers to composer Kamaldas Gupta for the film Shakuntalai. Please note that the correct name is Kamal Dasgupta. The name is Kamal, not Kamaldas. The last name is Dasgupta, not Gupta. There is a wiki page for him, too. 2601:646:8981:7460:20EF:3267:2FF3:F0BF (talk) 15:32, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ I think you were talking about this Wikipedia article.  Eevee01(talk) 05:34, 13 October 2021 (UTC)