Talk:MBB Bo 105/Archive 1

Image
Does anybody has a nice image of the BO 105? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThorstenSchroeteler (talk • contribs)
 * There are several free images at commons:Bölkow Bo 105. --Oden 12:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Uruguay
Removed the following by IP-193.145.230.3 from the article as unsourced, but wanted to place it here until it can be substantiated and referenced appropriately. Note: Uruguayan Navy is about to receive Ex - Germany Army upgraded units. --Born2flie 13:45, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Usage of MBB Bo-105's in Finland
In Finland has some (not so much) of MBB Bo-105 helicopters been used as in SAR activity. Northern Finland's first rescue copter (called Sepe) was a Bo-105 type. Copter was located in Oulu. Then also a second one, called Ilmari was located in Varkaus. Medi-Heli maybe used one of two choppers like that type. At present the mostly used type in Finland's SAR aerial actions, is Eurocopter EC-135. Country origin doesn't exist in list, I mean that Finland isn't mentioned in it. Ari-69 (talk) 01:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)Ari-69 (talk) 01:43, 12 November 2010 (UTC)Ari-69 (talk) 01:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC) Ari-69 (talk) 01:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC) Ari-69 (talk) 02:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Finland had at least 6 Bo-105-CBS-4 helicopters in operation. These were flown as part of FinnHEMS (Helicopter Emergency Medical Services), including SAR (Search and Rescue). As of 2003, the helicopters were Aslak (Sodankylä), Ilmari (Varkaus), Medi-Heli 01 (reg:OH-HMC, Vantaa), Medi-Heli 02 (reg:OH-HMW, Turku), Pete (Vaasa) and Sepe (Oulu). Skärgårdshavets Helikoptertjänst AB operated one from Åland, but as far as I can tell this is Medi-Heli 02, rather than a separate helicopter. I have updated the article, and have included the reference to the official government report from the Finnish Internal Ministry as well as a reference to a web site with historical photographs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.74.35.163 (talk) 10:53, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Cannon Armed version in Spanish & Iraqi Service
According to a book on helicopters I own, several were armed with Rh 202 20 mm cannon on the centerline I don't know what the ammo capacity was though, as Google is useless to reasearch such things. But here's a link to some photos: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?105395-MBB-Bo-105/page5

74.106.24.62 (talk) 07:55, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Former operators, gone??
So who's current, and who's not? this puts the Czech Police, in a former section that no longer exists Do we know if the Iraqi air force are current? The source is "Barrie and Pite Flight International 24–30 August 1994, p. 44." this information is 19 years old, I doublt there still in operation after OIF of 2003 FOX 52 (talk) 23:31, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Per discussions at WP:AIR, the separate sections for current and former operators have been merged, partly due to the great difficulty in actually finding sources for aircraft being retired. Iraq almost certainly doesn't operate the Bo 105 anymore, but without a WP:RS that says the type has been required, we should not say it. If you have a reliable source - NOT forums or Airliners.net, then it can be added as additional information.Nigel Ish (talk) 10:19, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

The website www.helis.com is a reliable source (also used for the UH-1 Iroquois operators/former operators page). The Royal Netherlands Air Force for example is also a former operator of the MBB Bo 105 HWClifton (talk) 09:34, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Accidents & Incidents
It is very strange that helicopter accidents and incidents only happen to BO 105 or later Eurocopter/Airbus helicopter models, but never to Bell Helicopters and only for 3 of 17 Westland helicopters? Even if this phenomenon is not based on tricky editing by a US company (perhaps British, but Westland merged 2001 with Italian Agusta), it is a clear bias against European Producers. Thus, it does not seem to follow the guidelines of WIKIPEDIA. 84.20.185.216 (talk) 19:48, 15 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Please Assume Good faith. Making such accusations helps no one, especially without any substantive proof, such as adequately sourced accidents being removed from those other articles. WP is a worrk in progress, and the simplest explanation is that no one has taken the time to add them. - BilCat (talk) 19:55, 15 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Also, accidents must meet WP:AIRCRASH Guidelines for inclusion in aircraft articles. - BilCat (talk) 19:57, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

I have checked all Bell helicopter models and you should do it for yourself before claiming that there is no substantive proof. The corresponding WIKIPEDIA articles are proof enough. There is no such section, despite your "template". Bell helicopters just seem to have no accidents at all. Funny, isn´t it? Perhaps the AIRCRASH guidelines exclude US models for obvious reasons? 84.20.176.127 (talk) 08:12, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * You are free to add these sections to US/British helicopter articles if you find a proper source. --Denniss (talk) 08:20, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I asked you to provide substantive proof that accidents were removed from those articles in the past, which can be found in the articles' history sections. Not that the accident sections don't exist now. They do in fact exist on some Bell articles, such as the Bell 412 (7 accidents/incidents), while we have a completely separate article on the V-22 at Accidents and incidents involving the V-22 Osprey.

Alright, at least I can thank you for the information and the hints. I did not check whether such accident sections have been removed systematically, but they are more than rare in the Bell helicopter articles. So I still think that this fact is a bit suspicious, while it may straighten out over time. 2001:628:2120:604:D531:3614:4A60:79AE (talk) 16:08, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * You have to remember that most helicopter accidents are not particularly notable or worthy of a mention including some on this page. MilborneOne (talk) 17:58, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

acrobatic loop
The first helicopter was the Sikorsky S-52 in 1949, check the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhRUGKa_ImY — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.138.85.65 (talk) 11:03, 16 February 2018 (UTC)