Talk:MDS America/Archive 1

More Information about the owner company
We enrich the page with informations from the Owner Company Al Fawares S Ali Khalifa Al Sabah one of the major rebuilder of IRAK With US government funds.

Also we expect to add next days more usefull informations about S Ali Khalifa Al Sabah a great figure of Kuwait Oil KOTC story. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.206.63.250 (talk) 06:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

+One of the "more usefull informations" that we can all bet that the above "editor" will not include is this one: Arabtimes Kuwait published on 26th Apr 2007 about dismissing this garbage. I will excerpt a small piece here:

"The court has seen no evidence against Sheik Ali Al-Khalifa and no merit in the case, which dragged on for 20 years.

This case has highlighted the weakness of the government and its tendency to surrender to the Parliament. According to an Arab proverb “victory comes in one hour of patience.” In the case of Sheikh Ali Al-Khalifa it has taken over 20 years."

As well the reader might find this interesting and we will notice if it is inserted as part of "more usefull informations" referenced above [http://www.abukhadra.net/The%20Great%20Ali%20Al%20Khalifa%20Al%20Sabah.htm Sh. Ali]:

"Since 1991, he has held a variety of positions in several international banks and institution. His wealth of experience and successful management style has won his Excellency acclaim in the international business arena. He was nominated as one of the World's top 50 CEOs by Fortune Magazine in 1987.

Sheikh Ali Khalifa remains a very influential in the fields he previously held posts in. In US relations, Finance, Oil, and even in OPEC matters the influence of Sheikh Ali is unsurpassed."

As one looks at all of the postings about a leading world figure and good man, why are essential pieces of information always omitted? WizardOfWor 22:59, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NPOV, and WP:TALK. --Ronz 23:18, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

+Ronz, are you seriously suggesting that a newspaper in Kuwait is not a reliable source about happenings in Kuwait? How do you verify this without OR? How is what I have written above my POV (other than the observation that the above will be left out)?WizardOfWor 23:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The link you want is this, but it makes no mention of the subject of this article, hence my suggestion that you read the policies. --Ronz 23:34, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

+Ronz, I am not suggesting that this be placed in the article. I am showing that there is an attempt to deceive, Googling the name will show that there has been only one case against this great man. I know that is OR but again I only whan to demonstrate intention. So you guys get some idea about what is really happening here. WizardOfWor
 * And per WP:TALK, your comments are inappropriate here, as are many of the other comments. I know what's happening here: WP:EW and WP:COI. --Ronz 00:02, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Clean funds or not Clean funds
By typing on google the search words Al Fawares Ali khalifa al sabah case fraud oil kotc embezzing siphoning money thousands articles are available some require to paid to have the full version ! Every Wikipedia readers can make its own idea about the owner of MDSAmerica:

"Challenges Facing the Kuwaiti Leadership" (November 2001) - [ Traduire cette page ] Fraud cases amounting to $130 million against Sheikh Ali al-Khalifa al-Sabah, an ex-minister, have been of particular concern in parliament. ... www.meib.org/articles/0111_me2.htm - http://www.meib.org/articles/0111_me2.htm Tétreault, Mary Ann. Stories of Democracy: Politics and Society in Contemporary Kuwait. New York: Columbia University Press, 2000. Stories of Democracy: Chapter 8 - [ Traduire cette page ] The inclusion of `Ali al-Khalifa as a defendant in the criminal case ... Thus, the showdown over human rights activism was and continues to be embedded in ... www.ciaonet.org/book/tetreault/ch08.html -

Stories of Democracy: Chapter 4 - [ Traduire cette page ] It also fueled parliamentary criticism of the oil minister, Shaikh `Ali al-Khalifa. A member of the ruling family and protégé of the amir, Shaikh `Ali’s ... www.ciaonet.org/book/tetreault/ch04.html -

89.224.157.48 16:59, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * How is the above relevant to this discussion page or appropriate per WP:TALK? --Ronz 23:42, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks like clean funds to me
+The above "editor" did not include is this one: Arabtimes Kuwait published on 26th Apr 2007 about dismissing this political garbage he discusses above. I will excerpt a small piece here:

"The court has seen no evidence against Sheik Ali Al-Khalifa and no merit in the case, which dragged on for 20 years.

This case has highlighted the weakness of the government and its tendency to surrender to the Parliament. According to an Arab proverb “victory comes in one hour of patience.” In the case of Sheikh Ali Al-Khalifa it has taken over 20 years."

As well the reader might find this interesting will notice it is also absent from the above attempt to decieve. [http://www.abukhadra.net/The%20Great%20Ali%20Al%20Khalifa%20Al%20Sabah.htm Sh. Ali]:

"Since 1991, he has held a variety of positions in several international banks and institution. His wealth of experience and successful management style has won his Excellency acclaim in the international business arena. He was nominated as one of the World's top 50 CEOs by Fortune Magazine in 1987.

Sheikh Ali Khalifa remains a very influential in the fields he previously held posts in. In US relations, Finance, Oil, and even in OPEC matters the influence of Sheikh Ali is unsurpassed."

[REMOVED UNSOURCED ATTACKS]

Even what he write above: "Thus, the showdown over human rights activism was..." so a Middle Eastern Leader comes under fire for "human riughts activism"? Sure sounds like he has "dirty funds." I mean, where would a man who as simple been previous Minister of Petroleum AND Minister of Finance of Kuwait get money to fund a business?

As one looks at all of the postings about a leading world figure and good man, why are essential pieces of information always omitted? This information has been posted several times in the past. The editor above has even read them. In his own words (paraphrased) "Every Wikipedia readers can make its own idea about the CEO of MDS International." 65.2.150.213 22:37, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * How is the above relevant to this discussion page or appropriate per WP:TALK? --Ronz 23:41, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

This is getting ridiculous. We should ask for semiprotection on the talk pages of all MDS America, MDS International, MVDDS pages to stop these incessant personal attacks (libel?) from continuing. The MDS dispute looks like yet another million dollar legal war, and it should not be fought on our turf. nadav 00:17, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

PENTAGON FUNDS
Some of the $96 million contract to Al Fawares for the rebuilding of Iraq’s television, radio and newspaper network are in use for the US MVDDS licences purchase by MDSOperations MDSAmerica and daily expenses of the companies hold at 98% by Al Fawares ? http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2004-05/12/article07.shtml Funds are traveling step by step from another companies? http://www.fawaresholding.com/agencies.html This are on Pentagon undercontrol? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.160.95.1 (talk) 07:18, 5 May 2007 (UTC).

What does this mean? Does this mean that people should not do business with France Telecom who receives money for re-rebuilding Irak, General Electric? Sodexho? Many companies receive money from the US government for rebuilding Iraq. Why is this constantly inserted into this article? MDS operation bid on RF spectrum before the invasion of Iraq? Why is this pasted into these articles no less that 22 times? 76.109.17.236 09:48, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

How about we just remove these from the talk page if editors aren't willing to spend the time describing why their comments have any relevance to the article? --Ronz 14:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Harold Kirpatrick
Thank you To advertise this lies (see back WiKi Reader) against myself on a false XINGTECH Proxy WEB site. If anybody need to know the right contact us to receive lawyers informations mds@mds.fr JeanClauduc83.206.63.250 09:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

XingtechJoin Date: Apr 2007 Satellite Guys

defrauded by Hypercable/MDSi/Worldwave/Jean Claude Ducasse

As a client of MDS International you may have been defrauded if you purchased the HyperBoost or WADSL software products for use with your broadcasting system. MDS International has been selling pirated versions of Xingtech Streaming Server as its own intellectual property since 2002.

For more information check http://www.xingtech.info

I have receive a phone call from Real Networks about this pieces of Glory! Real need to know the Cie making this proxy site using Real TM logo It is a pleasure for us to send your name and adress to Real. 83.206.63.250 09:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I propose this be removed from talk. --Ronz 14:53, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why another forum cannot be found for these discussions. Wikipedia is obviously not the place for this. nadav 18:44, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Nadav, please. Do you think the above comments are discussions? Do you seriously believe there exists a forum for the above? Look at what is being written, does anything make sense? Real Networks, called MDSI to ask MDSI for the Identity of someone who has set up a site accusing MDSI of stealing their software. Real Networks litigator, Lindzy Godfrey has spent considerable time talking to us about this, she never asked f we set up the site if we knew who set up the site. Companies do not "go after" whistle blowers because they like to know who might be stealing their software. The above is supposed to scare MDSA because MDSI is SURE we setup the xingtech.info site. (We had nothing to do with it) and we are supposed to be stupid enough to think that Real Networks is going to pursue some one for this. If you do not specifically LIBEL MDS America in your articles, jeanclauduc will continue this. 76.109.17.236 22:04, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No, nothing makes sense. I just want people to stop importing their personal conflicts into this totally inappropriate domain. Wikipedia is not a battleground. nadav 22:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Ownership and funds
MDS America is owned by Al-Fawares for Construction and Development K.S.C. and members of the management team.

US Congres Report
http://www.usrom.com/Countries/iraq.htm

Al Fawares, a Kuwaiti company with Iraqi ownership wins a $96 million contract for the rebuilding of Iraq’s television, radio and newspaper network Al Fawares will assist in expanding the newspaper into national status based on the company's experience with al-Watan in Kuwait, and also will provide security, logistics and construction services.

For--Ronz 7:22 1 May 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.224.178.100 (talk • contribs)


 * Looks like more off-topic comments that should be removed from here. Objections? --Ronz 14:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Ronz, could you wait till the AfD closes, before archiving more stuff? Some of the views expressed, though hard to follow, are hinting at actual issues. See some other contributions at User talk:EdJohnston and User talk:Nadav1. EdJohnston 19:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. --Ronz 22:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

The AfD is over. Time for cleanup of the off-topic and disruptive comments? --Ronz 14:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)