Talk:MERS outbreak

dates
THis is called 2012 outbreak yet people are adding 2014 cases and some cases added have no year date just a month. The article needs tidying up to make this clearer. Also there appear to be 3 articles on MERS and contrast this with Ebola or H7N9 to get some consistency in how ongoing disease outbreaks are wikipediazed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_disease#2014_outbreak

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H7N9

I think these articles could all do with an expert making them clear and common in ways of reporting, perhaps much as the way the weekly reports of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control network does http://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/Pages/home.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.49.46.244 (talk) 03:15, 25 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I've been thinking of putting up a MERS Timeline à la the 2009 flu pandemic timeline, but it'll take a while... kencf0618 (talk) 03:42, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I've started the article, MERS-CoV Timeline, using the Epidemiology section of this article. kencf0618 (talk) 03:53, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


 * As of 3 June 2015, 2 South Koreans died of MERS. I do not think that it is part of the 2012 outbreak though. I think we need an end date and just restart the clock on the 2015 MERS South Korean outbreak. Geraldshields11 (talk) 13:01, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Name of article
The title of the article with the date "2012" reflects the practice in epidemiology of dating outbreaks from when they start. However long they run, they are dated from the first outbreak. SW3 5DL (talk) 15:28, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
 * As of 3 June 2015, 2 South Koreans died of MERS. I do not think that it is part of the 2012 outbreak though. I think we need an end date and just restart the clock on the 2015 MERS South Korean outbreak. Geraldshields11 (talk) 13:01, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Things needed to be done
The number of cases should be updated as much as possible. When someone hears about a new case or death, please report it on the main article for that country. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.14.63.169 (talk) 13:20, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * As of 3 June 2015, 2 South Koreans died of MERS. I do not think that it is part of the 2012 outbreak though. Geraldshields11 (talk) 13:00, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Jenks24 (talk) 15:34, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

2012 Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus outbreak → Middle East respiratory syndrome outbreak – Current name is adopted because MERS initially broke out in 2012. However as the image shows, the outbreak was prominent in 2014 and continues in 2015. Also coronavirus is not necessary. See Google News search result: --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 01:09, 25 June 2015 (UTC) ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 22:34, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * "Middle East respiratory syndrome outbreak" 861
 * "Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus outbreak" 50


 * If the topic is an outbreak, then it is categorized in Category:2010s medical outbreaks. Most articles in that category have years in their titles, and cover durations of one to two years. As this has been going on for four years, it's already outside the norm for "outbreaks". At what point do we stop calling it an outbreak? As this seems, per WP:summary style to be the detailed article on, perhaps Epidemiology of Middle East respiratory syndrome? seems to do a better job of limiting itself to 2012. Perhaps that section should be renamed to "Outbreak", as it doesn't give as complete a history as the epidemiology section or this article. Wbm1058 (talk) 12:17, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment isn't this just an endemic disease now, instead of an outbreak? It's unclear from our articles if this is one outbreak. The South Korea one could be considered an outbreak by itself. Has there been any respite in the cases in the Middle East, indicating separation into multiple outbreaks? -- 70.51.203.69 (talk) 11:15, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This article is about the outbreak in 2012. See the hatnote for other related articles. Sovereign  / Sentinel 11:49, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment, shouldn't we be referring to these articles as MERS outbreaks? It's the most common name by far. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 21:12, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Perhaps try a shorter phrase that includes the year and see if that has consensus  (t &#183; c)  buidhe  11:00, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

2012 Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus outbreak → MERS outbreak – or alternatively, "2012–2021 MERS outbreak", "2012–2021 Middle East respiratory syndrome outbreak", and "Middle East respiratory syndrome outbreak" (and maybe "Epidemiology of MERS"). First of all, the name of the article should use the name of the disease, not the virus that causes the disease (like the COVID-19 pandemic and the 2002–2004 SARS outbreak). The title is so outdated. If anyone would argue that the article is instead referring to the 2012 outbreak, then what is this that we have here? — hueman1 ( talk •  contributions ) 14:36, 4 March 2021 (UTC)  —Relisting. ~  Aseleste charge-paritytime 03:02, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
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 * There are several articles in the targeted disambiguation page. I do not think it should be moved since we don't know which MERS outbreak one wants to get to. Sir Joseph (talk) 01:26, 12 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment - you should DEFINITELY have "2012" in the proposed title. "MERS outbreak" is an ambiguous term. Paintspot Infez (talk) 04:10, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Really? How many other MERS outbreaks have there been? Rreagan007 (talk) 06:31, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * If you check the disambiguation page MERS outbreak, you'd see that there's (1.) this one (the 2012 MERS outbreak), (2.) the 2015 MERS outbreak in South Korea, and (3.) the 2018 MERS outbreak. Paintspot Infez (talk) 15:26, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 7 April 2021

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vaticidalprophet 18:20, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

2012 Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus outbreak → 2012 Middle East respiratory syndrome outbreak – I am aware that a move request had been rejected as recently as last month, but currently this is our only article concerning MERS outbreaks which includes "coronavirus" in its title. My proposed move will bring this article in line with 2015 Middle East respiratory syndrome outbreak in South Korea and 2018 Middle East respiratory syndrome outbreak. feminist (talk) 17:57, 7 April 2021 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support Many people will think that "coronavirus" refers to COVID-19. 36.77.94.210 (talk) 19:35, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 1 January 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 07:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

– Per the results of this RM discussion, the MERS article was moved to its present title, yet the aforementioned articles have not been. For the sake of consistency, I believe they should follow suit. Love of Corey (talk) 18:00, 1 January 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. echidnaLives  -  talk  -  edits  02:34, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * 2012 Middle East respiratory syndrome outbreak → 2012 MERS outbreak
 * 2015 Middle East respiratory syndrome outbreak in South Korea → 2015 MERS outbreak in South Korea
 * 2018 Middle East respiratory syndrome outbreak → 2018 MERS outbreak
 * Middle East respiratory syndrome outbreak → MERS outbreak
 * Move for the sake of consistency. Clyde!Franklin! 18:09, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
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 * Support per WP:CONSISTENT and WP:CONCISE. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 16:05, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Ajpolino (talk) 16:33, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * support per nom--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 14:27, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 7 March 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. And merged. – robertsky (talk) 21:20, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

2012 MERS outbreak → MERS outbreak – The text of the article is clear that it is about a much longer-lasting situation, with occasional sub-outbreaks, not just something from 2012. The existing text and infobox go to 2021, and sources such as the ECDC show there have been cases as recently as 2023. The existing page by that title is a disambiguation page, however this article clearly is about the entire history of the disease. 2018 MERS outbreak should probably be merged here, as it is short and shows (and the 2018 "outbreak" article itself admits) that 2018 is not distinct from other years. Without that article, there's no reason to disambiguate the 2015 South Korea outbreak article, any more than we do for various "COVID-19 pandemic in X country" articles. Crossroads -talk- 21:53, 7 March 2024 (UTC) (fixes Crossroads -talk- 22:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC))
 * Comment The 2018 MERS outbreak article is very strange. It basically says there wasn't any big outbreak in 2018, and the number of cases that year was actually much lower than in the previous two years. But would it make more sense to rename this to something like (plural)? Are all of the cases considered as just one outbreak? There would still be a separate article about the 2015 MERS outbreak (should the title of that one be shortened?). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:45, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * My guess is that somebody created the 2018 article because they thought that the MERS news of the day didn't belong here based on the title, but now this covers 2012-2021 and that one just 2018, yet are both allegedly covering the whole world. This review from 2020 refers to MERS up to that time as an "outbreak" (singular) and single phenomenon, as does Our World in Data (in the chart there). I skimmed a few other sources on Google Scholar, and didn't see any evidence that sources distinguish MERS in 2018 from MERS in general.
 * A few sources do treat the 2015 South Korea outbreak as noteworthy, so I think it's fine for that article to remain separate, just like we don't merge COVID-19 pandemic in South Korea into COVID-19 pandemic. Crossroads -talk- 00:17, 9 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Support - seems reasonable, as cases weren't limited to 2012, and indeed still continue to this day. Merging seems sensible too. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:32, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of 2018 MERS outbreak into 2012 MERS outbreak
See the above discussion (Talk:2012_MERS_outbreak). To summarize, sources on MERS apparently do not distinguish a "2018 outbreak"; rather, they discuss the disease's history as one continuous phenomenon (which is why it is also proposed above to shorten the title of this destination article to just "MERS outbreak"). Indeed, the 2018 article even admits that "cases were down compared to previous years". Additionally, the articles overlap in scope, against WP:REDUNDANTFORK, as this destination article covers 2012-2021, and both are worldwide in scope. Crossroads -talk- 00:29, 9 March 2024 (UTC)