Talk:MG 13

predecessor
"obtained by rebuilding a World War I water-cooled machine gun into an air-cooled version." OK, I give, which gun? More information is needed! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.10.226.163 (talk) 17:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe thee was a Dreyse MG 10 or some such thing, so that may be it. Certain internet-bound "authorities" insist that they ( the MG 13's) were not born of conversions at all, but for the time being I'll believe the likes of the late Ian Hogg, et al, that say they were. Incidentally, seeing as a link to a Spanish-language manual for the MG 13 is provided (along withe mention of its use during the Spanish Civil War), I would think it safe to assume that Spain should be listed among the weapon's operators.--172.190.229.194 (talk) 04:26, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

A questionable info.
I found an argue about the machinegun conversion prior WWII on a forum in Chinese which may be a chance to improve existing wiki article.

The argue was about a widely copied article in Chinese (Tradditional Chinese, normally used in Taiwan / Hong Kong). which tells that MG34/42 were successor of MG13, which were the conversion of Dreyse Model 1918 water cooling Heavy Machinegun. (Link as an example since the old article prior 2006 could not be found: ).

In the argue itself (Link: ) back in 2006. The user was questioning about they could not find Dreyse Model 1918 (most of the search leads to BAR) and have doubt about if that article were incorrect. I tried to put Chinese article into English and did the search, which leads me to the page of MG13 in Wikipedia, with sentence shown below:

"History[edit] Dreyse Model 1918 Machinegun: In 1907 Louis Schmeisser of Erfurt patented a machinegun named in honor of the inventor of the needle gun by the heads of the factory where it was made which was founded by Dreyse. The Dreyse machinegun was a heavy, usually tripod mounted, belt-fed and water cooled machinegun. The 1907 model was succeeded by the 1912 and later 1918 models. On ascending to power Adolf Hitler immediately ordered the Model 1918 to be modernized by the company Simson in Suhl. It became the MG13.[1]"

Which shown to be coming from a book by Smith, Joseph E (1973).

This might tells us this is the origin of that Chinese article about machinegun conversion (especially translated Dreyse into 德萊賽 by pronounce). Yet, when trying to dig deeper into the info about Dreyse Model 1907 / 1912 / 1918, what I could only found was about the pistol as shown in link below on Wikipedia when any info about machinegun could not be found. (Link: ) Nor could it be found in the equipment list of German Empire in WWI. (Link: )

I cross check the designer himself (Louis Schmeisser) and found his notable was about pistol (which he credit to Dreyse) and co-design of Bergmann machineguns (MG15, which includes nothing about Dreyse). (Louis Schmeisser - Link: ) (Bergmann Machine Gun - )

I searched many online sources and could not find a summary about this Dreyse Model 1918 machinegun (though I did found the pistol). When most people posted the picture of so-called "Dreyse water cooled heavy machinegun" it was MG08 or MG15. Should Wikipedia to question if the book by Smith, Joseph E on 1973 were wrong when the author were patching up the story of Louis Schmeisser ?

Please re-consider.

Ark89044300 (talk) 07:41, 2 April 2017 (UTC)ark89044300 04/02/2017

Hitler?
"On ascending to power Adolf Hitler immediately ordered the Model 1918 to be modernized by the company Simson in Suhl. It became the MG13." "The MG 13 was introduced into service in 1930, where it served as the standard light machine gun until 1935.[1] It was superseded by the MG 34 and then later the MG 42."

In 1930, Hitler wasn't even a German citizen, so...? Le Lapin Vert (talk) 23:57, 25 March 2019 (UTC)