Talk:MILF

Another good reference
I would suggest adding a reference from the movie "Stan Helsing," as an example of the word MILF being used in the media. The incident occurs in the car scene of the movie when Stan mentions the girl in the car next to them is a "MILF ALERT." -James Pandora Adams —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.176.154.190 (talk) 22:06, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 71.195.40.159, 3 March 2011
The page defined MILF as an attractive woman 30-50 years of age. I request that an addition to the definition is that the woman in question also must have born at least one child. The standing definition without this addition simply defines a "Cougar", not a MILF.

71.195.40.159 (talk) 01:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Declined. This has been debated and the consensus was that being a mother is not a requirement for the MILF label, A cougar is an older woman who has sex with younger men; the terms are not interchangeable. Having children is not a requirement of a MILF as the term refers simply to age. The example given "Pamela Anderson" is a point in case; Anderson does not have any children. Archivey (talk) 22:40, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Um, she has two sons, actually. Ifnkovhg (talk) 23:40, 4 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Also worth noting that a 'Cougar' is usually over 50 years of age. Vexorg (talk) 22:28, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe that cougars are generally considered to be 40 and above. 89.194.48.193 (talk) 21:45, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Second that. Also, the 25 years lower age limit is in keeping with the actresses' age range displayed in mile pornography. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.70.243.22 (talk) 12:26, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Image
Editors please note Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard. -- JN 466  12:40, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Why not add a picture of Jennifer Coolidge? She's mentioned on the article for playing "Stifler's mom" and popularizing the term. Maddox (talk) 15:45, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


 * We need an image. Can someone call their mom? Fortibus (talk) 08:56, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Some sources
This book is almost entirely about the MF curse word, but it does have an entire chapter about MILFs. This book also has a chapter on it. This one also has some good info. That should be enough to expand the article quite a bit. Silver seren C 01:05, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Consider a merge with MILF pornography, which is actually better sourced already. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 02:46, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That doesn't make much sense. Pornography about MILFs should be a sub-section in this article. If you're going to merge, then you should merge upwards, not downwards in terms of topic width. Though I don't think we should be merging at all. This article is about the use of the term colloquially and in the social sense. Pornography is a rather minute sub-section to that, really. Silver  seren C 03:25, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that merging MILF pornography into this article is the only sensible way to combine the two articles. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 11:02, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with merging MILF pornography and Cougar (slang) into this article. That's what we (lusophon community) did in the portuguese version of this article. Maddox (talk) 15:33, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Whilst a woman can simultaneously be a cougar and a MILF (e.g. Demi Moore, who is attractive and has a much younger husband), the two terms are not interchangeable; hence one should not redirect to the other. Attractiveness is a prerequisite to being a MILF, but looks are irrelevant as to whether or not a woman can be categorised as a cougar. Age disparity is a necessary part of being a cougar, hence Sarah Palin is often referred to as a MILF, but never as a cougar, because she and her husband were born in the same year and there is no suggestion of her being sexually involved with or interested in younger men. 109.249.200.162 (talk) 17:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Agree that MILF pornography should be merged into this article. Let's leave cougar as it is, unlike the Portuguese version. Binksternet (talk) 18:10, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Agree that MILF pornography should be merged into this article. Hogyn Lleol (talk) 19:29, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Age span
This has been changed several times and now says 25-50. How many examples are there of twentysomethings being considered MILFs? 89.194.48.193 (talk) 21:45, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Hanging out with colleagues at work, I have sometimes heard MILF used to describe a hot mother in her late teens. In the reliable sources, MILFs include women in their 20s in porn more often than in popular street usage where it is 30s (or late 20s) up to 40s or 50s. Here are some sources regarding age:
 * "their moms are anywhere from their late twenties to their early forties—prime sex years, and perfect candidates for the prized classification of MILF", The Complete A**hole's Guide to Handling Chicks
 * "MILF is a term used to describe hot women of child-rearing age", The Happy Hooker's Guide to Sex: 69 Orgasmic Ways to Pleasure a Woman
 * "Cheap Porn... If these MILFs are mothers, then they most certainly gave birth while still in high school. (...) The 'Amateur' site contains a MILF site with women who could have become mothers after high school, since they are in their late twenties and even thirties. American Plastic: Boob Jobs, Credit Cards, and the Quest for Perfection
 * "MILF... refers to women past their twenties...", Net.seXXX: readings on sex, pornography, and the Internet
 * "A MILF enjoys her food. But you're not in your twenties anymore". Got Milf?: The Modern Mom's Guide to Feeling Fabulous, Looking Great, and Rocking a Minivan
 * "MILF most often refers to a hot mother of any age... in the porn world... late twenties to early fifties, regardless of whether she has children." Dirty Words: A Literary Encyclopedia of Sex
 * Hope that helps. Binksternet (talk) 22:48, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The term was popularised by American Pie, in which Jennifer Coolidge's character was referred to as a MILF by some of her elder son's classmates. Coolidge was 35 at the time, but looked about 40. It seems therefore that the age disparity between the describer and the object of his attraction is part of the definition. Has the term morphed in definition during the past 12 years to such an extent that a 30 year old man can refer to a 30 year old woman as a MILF? If so, how did this change in the parameters of the definition occur? If it is the case, it appears to have changed in meaning to such an extent that its 1999 meaning has been supplanted. Are there any popular mass media uses of the acronym that have lead to the use of the term being changed from its previous meaning? Does anyone have any sources on that? 109.249.200.162 (talk) 17:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I linked to the best sources I could find, which are not all that good. I don't think the definitive study has been published on the MILF concept. Binksternet (talk) 17:48, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * As far as i've seen, it really is only a term applied to women with a child. Even if the sources above say she just needs to be of child-rearing age, it generally requires the presence of a child. However, this becomes a bit wonky the older you get and, once you get into the 40s, the child doesn't seem to be necessary for being called a MILF. That's just my observation on the subject. Silver  seren C 21:07, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Suggest change to: "Ages range from as low as the mid-twenties (exclusively from a teenage male perspective) to forties (general usage) or 50s. The term was initially used only to describe the sex appeal of a significantly older woman to a young male speaker, though usage has since broadened to include emphasis on a male's surprise over being attracted to a mother (rather than the age difference), as well as friendly joking praise of a mother's striking looks in a clearly non-sexual manner. However, note that young teenage mothers, older grandmotherly ladies, or women noticeably younger than the speaker are never referred to as MILFs, regardless of sexual attraction and maternity status." 208.127.80.210 (talk) 05:32, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * What are your sources for this change? Where do you see something about an occasional "clearly non-sexual" connotation? Where do you see something about "women noticeably younger than the speaker" not being included? Where do you see that the term initially came from the young male perspective? Binksternet (talk) 15:20, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Archive
The link to the archive doesn't work. 109.249.210.137 (talk) 20:20, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

✅ Fixed. Thanks for the note! Binksternet (talk) 20:25, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Move to MILF or disambiguate
Currently, MILF redirects here. I propose that either MILF should be made a disambiguation page between this article and Moro Islamic Liberation Front, or this article should be moved to MILF entirely (avoiding the need for a (slang) tag for what is essentially the "main" article for the phrase "MILF"). --NetRolller 3D  20:46, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * While I would personally argue that MILF (slang) is the more common term, i'm not sure if that's true or not in certain places and I am also hesitant to be offensive. I would think a disambiguation page would be for the best. Silver  seren C 21:04, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * A quick news search on google confirms that news sources use MILF for the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, so perhaps a disambiguation is called for, but having only 2 targets makes it fall below the threshold for disambiguation pages. Jarkeld (talk) 21:10, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Is there anything else that is seldomly, but sometimes referred to as MILF that we can include? Silver  seren C 21:15, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything here that we have an article or would want an article on. GB fan (talk) 21:27, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, there's this. Silver  seren C 21:35, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Between the album and the song: that makes it 4 articles to link to. Jarkeld (talk) 21:54, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Boldly turned the redirect into a disambiguation page. Jarkeld (talk) 22:14, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, and I just fixed up the about tags on these two and added them to the album and song page. Also, pointed MILF (disambiguation) at the MILF DAB page, rather than the Moro organization. Silver  seren C 22:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


 * MILF (slang) is clearly the primary topic and shoulbe be under the title "MILF". The disambiguation should be moved to MILF (disambiguation). Maddox (talk) 16:27, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Related terms
Should there be a section dealing with related terms likely to have been coined based on the term MILF eg DILF and CHILF?RafikiSykes (talk) 16:36, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you have reliable sources discussing this? Silver  seren C 19:47, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * http://patterico.com/jury/2010/10/08/david-frum-and-his-pro-pedophile-protege/
 * “CHILF.” This is a variant of the more well-known term “MILF,” popularized by the teen sex comedy “American Pie.” A “MILF” is an attractive older woman, a so-called “Mom I’d Like to F—.” Thus, a “CHILF” is a “Child I’d Like to F—.” RafikiSykes (talk) 19:57, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2011/07/06/everyone-wants-a-dilf
 * "A DILF, for those who might not know, is an acronym for "Dad I'd Like to ." (derived from the more prevalent MILF nickname for hot moms). "RafikiSykes (talk) 19:59, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

GILF
There's nothing about the GILF (Grandmother/Granny I'd like to Fuck) --88.67.115.32 (talk) 19:50, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Correct. Why not create an account and write a new article for GILF?  Ron h jones (Talk) 20:07, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

That's very right, we should not discriminate in sex because of the age. Coitumusergosumus (talk) 02:15, 14 August 2013 (UTC) ere should be a page for GILF. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.253.105.79 (talk) 12:11, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not
a dictionary. Milf should have an entry at the wiktionary. I'm redirecting this page to Age disparity in sexual relationships, similar to Cougar (slang). I would wait for a reply but it looks like the last post was a while back. Ncboy2010 (talk) 21:28, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * This could do with expansion but its enough of a cultural phenomenon to merit its own article.RafikiSykes (talk) 21:51, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * This already went through two AfDs where the same argument was made and, in both, the community decided that that argument was invalid. Silver  seren C 22:02, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Also that redirect just isnt correct. MILF only refers to the female in question. The one attracted to the MILF or the one the milf is attracted to can be of any any age unlike the more limited definition for cougar which means older woman and younger man. RafikiSykes (talk)

<...It denotes a sexually attractive older female, generally between 25 and 50 years of age....> Is 25 now considered "older"? Sigh...how depressing. --134.174.110.7 (talk) 17:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 June 2013
41.135.170.95 (talk) 19:01, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Please tell us what you would like changed. GB fan 19:33, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

frequency
The article claims the expression is "common in English" -- but there is no support given for this claim. A check of BYU's COCA yields 12 occurrences (19 of the 31 total hits refer to a Philippine guerrilla organization). I would say this is not a level that we should call common. It is less than that for "ludicrous" (1433) and even than that of "dreadnaught" (37). So I am asking that it be removed. 76.126.195.34 (talk) 19:09, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No idea what you are talking about... About 145,000,000 results on Google with a simple search... Seems fairly common to me. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 22:25, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Question
Is MILF used in Britain, or is it just a merican thing? --173.76.108.247 (talk) 22:35, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Dumb and Dumberer: When Harry Met Lloyd
What about the subplot of Lloyd hazing Harry about doing his mom, played by Mimi Rogers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.43.110.112 (talk) 19:16, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2014
180.253.216.27 (talk) 21:31, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 22:21, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 5 September 2016

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Move. We have clear consensus that this is the primary topic. Cúchullain t/ c 13:39, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

– WP:PRIMARYTOPIC |MILF|MILF_(slang)|MILF_pornography by miles. I'm really sure that people that arrives to MILF is looking for this and not the Front, as MILF pornography is more visited than the Front. ©  Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 01:02, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * MILF (slang) → MILF
 * MILF → MILF (disambiguation)
 * Support. This term is about porn, porn, and more porn, as a glance at the search engine results will confirm. The light bringer (talk) 07:05, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose per life in the non-porn world https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=%22milf+is%22&num=10 In ictu oculi (talk) 10:06, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Here, your link has been corrected to the correct neutral term. Probably you should use a better argument like pure MILFism or something like that. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 14:29, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. Clear and unambiguous primary topic. Which other topic comes close? &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 16:05, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. Duh. Also, the M.I.L.F redirect should be fixed. No one is going to look at that and expect the front. Nohomersryan (talk) 16:39, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I've changed the target of the redirect.  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   09:01, 8 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Support - Per nominator. Clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Meatsgains (talk) 18:11, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Support - Clearly the PRIMARYTOPIC here. – Davey 2010 Talk 21:33, 11 September 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Similar terms, such as SMILF and TILF
I would like to point to the TV show SMILF. Its title means "Single Mother I'd Like to Fuck", which is of course a reference to the term MILF. I think a mention of this should be added to the "Similar terms" section. There's also the abbreviation "TILF" ("Teacher I'd Like to Fuck"), which would also fit in the "Similar terms" section. 87.58.47.170 (talk) 01:37, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * SMILF is rarely used other than in reference to the little-known TV show. TILF is rarely used at all. Jim Michael (talk) 11:27, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I guess the popular TV show SMILF should be mentioned under 'In Popular Culture' since it is fairly related to the term MILF, even has it in its title with added S(ingle) with the rest of the acronym signifying exactly what this term signifies.23.91.184.82 (talk) 06:08, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Demarcations
The minimum age needs to be 40 to qualify, and there doesn't really need to be an upper age. I think MILF suggests the fantasy of the unattainable, respectable home-maker, and should be kept for that. 'Cougar' can then be identified with the predatory older woman, however promiscuous, and not necessarily married with children. Valetude (talk) 17:40, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2019
It should be noted that MYLF is being popularized in pornography, standing for Mom You'd Like to Fuck. Source: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=MYLF Source (NSFW): https://www.mylf.com/ Kodie131 (talk) 16:23, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DonIago (talk) 17:02, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2019
{{edit semi-protected|MILF|answered=yes} In addition to the MILF acronym, MYLF has entered the lexicon to rephrase the direct recipient of the title to mean "Mom You'd Like to Fuck". Kodie131 (talk) 16:38, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Great. No. Drmies (talk) 16:43, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Stacy's Mom
Suggestion for adding to the popular culture section. Simon Grant (talk) 10:49, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Per WP:IPCV you'd need a source to establish that this song is considered a significant pop culture reference to MILFs. DonIago (talk) 20:04, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

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