Talk:MPay

Further reading section
I removed two dead links from the section, which would have left the section blank thus not contributing anything to the article, so I removed the section. Otr500 (talk) 08:31, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Company claims
Moving here for storage in case someone would like to use the sources for something else:


 * According to a 2014 article in The Nation, mPay has around 1.6 million registered users, of which roughly 1.2 million are end-users and 400,000 are mPay agents. 150,000 of mPay's end-users use the service monthly, spending on average Bt30,000. In November 2015, 4 million people in Thailand used mPay, and in August 2013, mPay had around 700 merchant partners.

Unused source: K.e.coffman (talk) 19:14, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The Nation and the Bangkok Post obtained this information and through their fact-checking and editorial process considered it reliable to publish. I consider information about the number of users they have encyclopedic so oppose removing this information from the article. Cunard (talk) 20:46, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Advanced Info Service

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No need to make separate article as group company deals this industry. Light2021 (talk) 16:40, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Oppose merge It would be undue weight to merge an article about a payment processor (mPay) into an article about a mobile phone operator (Advanced Info Service). The current article contains sourced information that if merged to Advanced Info Service would be undue weight. The sources I found at Articles for deletion/MPay contain even more information about mPay that can be used to further expand the article:  The article notes: "Supreecha Limpikanjanakowit, the managing director of Advanced mPay, the payment unit of Advanced Info Service, says cheaper smartphones and improved high-speed wireless broadband have spurred wider adoption of mobile payments. Advanced mPay is adding two new flagship services _ mass transit payments and a mobile wallet for shopping _ to increase transaction revenue. ... Advanced mPay will join with MasterCard next month to roll out the mPay debit card service, letting customers make purchases via MasterCard. Since mPay began seven years ago, it has amassed about 700 merchant partners. 'Partnering with MasterCard will lift the number of outlets in the merchant payment gateway to several thousand in Thailand and 4 million globally,' said Mr Supreecha. He blames the restriction of mobile payments to the local currency for impeding the progress of mobile payment service in Thailand. Advanced mPay is expanding service with Bangkok Mass Transit System Plc this year, letting customers use near field communication (NFC)-enabled smartphones to pay skytrain fares."  The article notes: "Launched 11 years ago, the AIS mPAY service has only 1.4 million active users from 2.5 million downloads. It has seen gradual growth but AIS has decided to spur growth by making AIS mPAY available to all mobile users with its easy-to-use multi-language concept. ... AIS mPAY is available for all mobile users, not just AIS users. It takes just two steps to apply and start the service: download the app and then set up the account with a four-digit PIN. Users can store up to Bt5,000 into their mPAY wallet and they can increase the amount of stored money to Bt30,000 when they register their mPAY account and up to Bt100,000 if they show up at mPAY-partner banks. AIS mPAY currently has a strong portfolio: eight bank partners, which together have over 50,000 ATM machines to add money into AIS mPay; 200,000 mPAY stations to add money and to receive payments by AIS mPAY; over 60,000 non-banking channels to add money into AIS mPay; and over 200 merchants and bills can pay with AIS mPAY."  The article notes: "Advanced MPay Co Ltd, a subsidiary of Advanced Info Service, the country's largest mobile-phone operator, has signed up a disappointingly low 100,000 active users for its wireless payment service since beginning operations last August. Managing director Komsan Buppanimite said one of the problems the company encountered was customers not knowing where or how to 'fill up' their mobiles with cash, because in the past, neither Advanced Info Service outlets nor Telewiz shops could assist that transaction.The company has shortened the process in a bid to attract a higher number of users."  The article notes: "Thailand has 5.5 million e-wallet users. Of the total, 4 million use AIS's mPay service, and the rest use True Move's True Money service" In Thai, "mPay" is "เอ็มเปย์". Here are two Thai sources I found (there are numerous others on Google News):   The article notes: "ก้าวต่อไปของบริการเอ็มเปย์ คือ การเปิดให้ลูกค้าทั่วไปสามารถเข้ามาใช้บริการได้ โดยไม่จำเป็นต้องเป็นลูกค้าของเอไอเอส ซึ่งจะช่วยเพิ่มปริมาณลูกค้าที่ใช้งานเพิ่มเป็น 1.5 ล้านราย จากที่ใช้งานในปัจุบัน 1.4 ล้านรายภายในสิ้นปีนี้ และจะเติบโตต่อเนื่องที่ 20-30% ต่อไป อย่างไรก็ตาม เอ็มเปย์มียอดการทำธุรกรรมต่อเดือนอยู่ที่ประมาณ 8 พันล้านบาท โดยเป็นการเติมเงินในกลุ่มลูกค้าวันทูคอล และการชำระค่าบริการต่างๆประมาณ 80-90% ส่วนที่เหลือเป็นกลุ่มลูกค้าอีคอมเมิร์ซ และลูกค้าองค์กร ... โดยปัจจุบัน เอ็มเปย์ เป็นพาร์ตเนอร์ร่วมกับ 8 ธนาคาร คือ ธนาคาร กรุงเทพ ไทยพาณิชย์ กสิกรไทย กรุงไทย กรุงศรีอยุธยา ทหารไทย และยูโอบี ในส่วนของบัตรเครดิต ร่วมกับทางมาสเตอร์การ์ด ทำให้ลูกค้าสามารถเติมเงินได้จากตู้เอทีเอ็มมากกว่า 5 หมื่นจุด หรือใช้วิธีการผูกกับบัญชีก็ได้ รวมถึงการใช้เป็นบัญชีเงินฝากออนไลน์ Beat Banking กับธนาคารซีไอเอ็มบีไทย"From Google Translate: "The next step for mPAY is open to the general customers can access the service. Without the need for a client of AIS. This will increase the amount of active customers increased to 1.5 million from 1.4 million in current income by the end of this year. And will continue to grow at 20-30% next. However MPay peak transactions per month is about 8 billion baht by the prepaid segment in the Call. And the payment of approximately 80-90%, the rest is an e-commerce customers. And corporate clients ... Currently MPay a partnership with eight banks, Bangkok Bank of Commerce, Bank of Thailand Thailand Thailand's Ayudhya, TMB Bank, and in most of the credit. Together with MasterCard Customers can make money from ATMs than five thousand points or how to tie the account. Including the use of a bank account online Beat Banking with Bank CIMB Thailand." <li> The article notes: "นายสุปรีชา ลิมปิกาญจนโกวิท กรรมการผู้จัดการ บริษัท แอดวานซ์ เอ็มเปย์ จำกัด เปิดเผยว่า เพื่อตอบสนองกลุ่มผู้ประกอบการรายย่อย และร้านค้าทั้งแบบที่มีหน้าร้านอยู่บนออนไลน์ หรือตามตลาดนัดทั่วไป จึงร่วมกับ ธนาคารกสิกรไทย เปิดบริการ “mPAY Gateway (เอ็มเปย์ เกตเวย์)” เป็นระบบรับชำระเงินที่ครบวงจร เพียงเข้าที่ เอ็มเปย์ เกตเวย์ ที่เดียวก็ได้ครบทุกช่องทาง ทั้งออนไลน์ ออฟไลน์ และ ผ่านบัญชีธนาคารหรือไม่ผ่านบัญชีธนาคาร โดยที่ผู้ขายไม่ต้องไปเชื่อมต่อกับทุกธนาคารเอง... อ่านต่อที่ ... สำหรับ เอ็มเปย์ เกตเวย์ เริ่มต้นเมื่อผู้ขายสมัครใช้บริการ ตั้ง Username และ Password ก็สามารถเริ่มรับชำระได้ทันที ในการรับชำระแต่ละครั้ง ผู้ขายเพียงใส่จำนวนเงินของแต่ละคำสั่งซื้อ ระบบจะสร้างลิงก์ ขึ้นมาเพื่อให้ผู้ขายส่งลิงก์ชำระเงินไปให้ลูกค้าผ่านทางเอสเอ็มเอส, ไลน์, วอทแอพ, เฟซบุ๊ก หรือทางใดก็ได้ เมื่อลูกค้าชำระเงินผ่านช่องทางที่เลือกไว้ เอ็มเปย์ เกตเวย์ จะแจ้งการชำระไปยังผู้ขายตามคำสั่งซื้อเพื่อชำระเงินได้ทันที... อ่านต่อที่" From Google Translate: "Mr. Preecha Paralympic Kanjanakul Sankhagowit. Managing Director of Advanced mPAY Co., said in response to a small group of entrepreneurs. Both stores are located on the front line. Or the market in general, in conjunction with the Bank of Thailand Open 'mPAY Gateway (MPay Gateway)' is a payment system that is integrated only into the MPay gateway at the same time all channels, both online and offline through. no bank account or bank account. The seller does not have to connect to all the banks themselves. ... For MPay default gateway on the seller signing the Username and Password, you can start accepting payments immediately. To receive each payment Sellers simply enter the amount of each order. The system creates a link Up to link payments to wholesale customers through SM SM, Male, Whats App, Facebook or anywhere. When customers pay via selected MPay Gateway will pay to the vendor an order for immediate payment."</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow mPay to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 05:31, 26 October 2016 (UTC)</li></ul>
 * Except citing GNC, do you have anything else to say on many discussions? this article has only one paragraph to write about and you are saying it is encyclopedic notable for being a separate page? What are we building here? A directory of companies? Look the commenting above, seems like the PR department is here to brag about this one. Full of promotions. Light2021 (talk) 07:47, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * In addition to citing Notability, I also noted that a merge would be undue weight: "It would be undue weight to merge an article about a payment processor (mPay) into an article about a mobile phone operator (Advanced Info Service)." I also noted that the sources I found can be used to further expand the article. Cunard (talk) 05:02, 7 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Just because an article is not good doesn't mean it can't be fixed. It seems as if all this article needs is expanding, as there appears to be ample information online and already presented. Also Light2021 Don't bash on other people's comment's that have evidence despite their bias. Just claim their bias and offer your own counterargument. Funkyman99 (talk) 02:06, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Support merge as a good solution.We routinely merge subsidiaries into the main company. Not always: This might not  appropriate when the subsidiary is a famous brand in its own right, but that does not seem to be the case here. It might not be appropriate when the subsidiary is in a completely different line of business, but that is not the case here ether--a mobile phone serve and electric payments are very closely related businesses, and a natural match for each other. In any event, it is the mostsecureway toavoid furthe attmepts at deletion.  DGG''' ( talk ) 02:14, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * No, a payment service provider and a mobile phone service are not "very closely related businesses". They are very different industries with very different regulations and services. It is unclear why you have changed your mind and are now supporting merge when you wrote at Articles for deletion/MPay: "Delete. as promotional . Consider a redirect, after the deletion, but not a merge. promotional material should not be merged." Cunard (talk) 05:02, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * What don't you understand? Promotional content should not be merged. Other encyclopaedic content could be. I agree the two businesses are a natural match, as there are many examples like these two. A merge seems prudent given the circumstances, even though I disagree with the notion that mPay isn't notable of its own merit. FoCuS contribs ;  talk to me!  12:44, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * DGG's comment at the AfD was "Delete. as promotional . Consider a redirect, after the deletion, but not a merge." He believed the article was so promotional that he opposed a merge at the AfD. He said he didn't even want the history to be reserved if a redirect was made. Here is the version of the article DGG commented on. The article has not changed much since DGG commented on it. If at the AfD DGG found the article too promotional, I was wondering why he is now supporting a merge when the article hasn't changed much. Cunard (talk) 03:36, 17 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Support merge; the target article has a section Advanced_Info_Service where this material can be covered. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:57, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Support a Redirect to Advanced_Info_Service per WP:NOPAGE. There seriously aren't enough sources to justify this as a separate article. We mention subsidiaries in the article of the main company. I don't see a need to merge any content as it is simply what the company claims (and not a what a reliable third party source has verified). A redirect works well here. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Mild support for merge. Summoned by bot. Thanks, Cunard for the fine work finding and presenting those sources. My read is that the sources support sufficient notability of mPay to survive an AfD. That said, the sources themselves refer to mPay as a unit of AIS, more as a product of AIS rather than a notable independent company. I think a one or two paragraph mPay treatment in the AIS page would work well and be sufficient to give a full picture. To get the AIS article right, more should be added to the other subsidiaries, but that's not an argument against the structure any more than saying an article is poor is an AfD argument. Similarly, I don't think it would be undue weight to have an article that had a paragraph for each subsidiary. That said, I don't think that either approach is problematic. Chris vLS (talk) 16:24, 21 November 2016 (UTC)


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