Talk:MSC Virtuosa

Starship club
Hello, I noticed you reverted my addition about the MSC Starship Club. I apologise if it came over as too much like marketing - I had tried hard to only include the facts about the area and not the cruise line's marketing talk (except when directly quoting them for their description). I did try to maintain a NPOV but appreciate given the lack of content on other aspects of the ship this may have appeared as undue weight. As such I was wondering if you had any suggestions on how to re-word it appropriately? Would a much shorter and more to the point statement such as 'MSC Virtuosa will be the first ship in the MSC fleet to include the MSC Starship Club featuring a robotic humanoid bartender' be ok? Thanks very much J850NK (talk) 13:33, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for following WP:BRD. I'm afraid I don't think it's appropriate content no matter how worded. Ever cruise line has endless clubs created as a marketing ploy and the fact that this ship is the first in their fleet to have this one is non notable and trivial. The fact that it has a robotic bartender is frankly another gimmick and can be changed or discontinued at the marketing directors whim, it's not a material alteration to the ship and doesn't warrant mention. Maybe another editor will feel different and if so I will accept inclusion Lyndaship (talk) 14:04, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for explaining your point of view. I can see why you think that this could just be a marketing stunt and as such not worth mentioning, however, personally, I think that given its a new feature (and a physical space/venue on the ship) it would be fair to give it a small mention as I suggested above? I agree that we ought to get another editor's opinion on this so I'll post the issue on the WP:3 page. Thank you again for explaining. J850NK (talk) 22:29, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:3 is a fine way to go - I hope we get some response. Cruise companies repurpose space on their ships continuously and basically this is just changing the decor and whats on the wall. I also recall reading before about a drink making robot on a cruise ship Lyndaship (talk) 09:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this. Yes, I think you are thinking of Royal Caribbean's "Bionic Bar" which first featured on their Quantum-class ships which indeed features robotic arms to make people drinks. However, I think the main notable point around the 'Starship Club' on MSC is that it will be the first humanoid robot to be on a cruise ship and accordingly that will create a special new experience as it can interact with the guests etc. Of course I'm sure the purpose of having such a facility is very much to attract people to sail, but nevertheless given that it's a physical venue/space on the ship (and a unique one) I think it's worthy of a small mention. I also noticed that it attracted the attention of the mainstream media such as in this article which often doesn't happen with minor changes to cruise ships. But again, I can see why you may just regard this as a publicity stunt. As such I look forward to getting that third opinion hopefully. Many thanks J850NK (talk) 11:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Well the Mirror article is a source but its just the MSC press release regurgitated . Cheap marketing and poor journalism. Looking at the pic it seems to consist of 12 seats, 1 robot and a really small area. Lyndaship (talk) 11:23, 12 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much for providing such a balanced and helpful 3O. We'll definitely leave it as is for now then, especially given its a new ship/not entered service yet so a facilities section probably wouldn't be justified/able to have adequate coverage just yet. But as you say, perhaps in the future, maybe a facilities section will be added and a minor mention may be more appropriate. Thank you again very much for weighing in. J850NK (talk) 00:26, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
 * My thanks also for your balanced and considered 3O. I'm very impressed Lyndaship (talk) 18:19, 14 February 2021 (UTC)